Vince McMahon Tried To Use Goldberg To Sabotage UFC Event

AikaImmortal · 10-12-2005, 10:29 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bells_palsy

Not as bad as other palsys so I dont know why they would fire him over it.. pretty much leads to a drooping in the face and slurred speech and thats the gist of it.

Goeth27 · 10-12-2005, 10:38 PM

Well when someone has a paralized face or half of a dead face, it would be hard to understand them. Announcers are suppose to speak clearly.

Grave · 10-13-2005, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrash13

You damn right they are trying to compete with them. I think that is very obvious.

I think not. I highly doubt some UFC bigwig like dana white is thinking: "duh! hey lets try to compete with Mcmahon and his world of crappy wrestling just to do it!"

Like that article said, zuffa thought it was immune to such tactics by mcmahon because both products are so different. Meaning zuffa and UFC are not aiming to compete with them at all.

UFc trying to compete with WWE and vice versa,is like bananas competeing with oranges.Absurd. I think UFC is just doing their own thing and don't really give a crap about what mcmahon has going on.

And for anyone useing the "monday night" reasoning, Hello! UFC stuff and TUF has always been on mondays along with WWE. Just because they are now on different channels does not suddendly mean "Oh maw gawd! UFC is trying to directly compete with WWE and put them out of buissness!"

*sigh*................

mortyx · 10-13-2005, 09:34 AM

I think it's more the other way... WWE is seeing UFC as a form of competition. But for UFC, realistically, they won't be seeing WWE numbers for awhile. If they climb towards those numbers, it's only a good thing.

Thrash13 · 10-13-2005, 01:26 PM

The UFC isn't competing with the WWE because their sports are the same. They are competing with the WWE for their fans. It's all about the demographics.

What age groups are the most popular when it comes to WWE? It's the male age group from 18-35. That is pretty clear.

What target market is the UFC trying to take over? The males from age 18-35. I don't know what your definition of competition is, but that's what I learned in about ten classes in high school and some more in college.

That's obviously competition. The UFC and WWE don't have to be alike by any means. It's all about competing for the same fanbase. I don't know how you can't see that.

It would have been much smarter to put Ultimate Fight Night 2 on a different night than Monday. And especially not the same night as the big "WWE Homecoming". If Ultimate Fight Night would have been on a different night, the ratings would have been much better. It's only smart business if you ask me.

subgenius · 10-13-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

I stoped being a WWE fan when I was old enought to realize it was fake. But that is also what pushed me into MMA. I needed something else to make my parents buy.

I think that the UFC will eventualy over take the WWE in ratings. Especialy with free live showes being showed on Spike. I think that that homecomming that the WWE had didn't get as the ratings that they were hoping for. Every week there are probably WWE fans that make the switch to the UFC. And there are vary few(if any) that go the other way.

The UFC will never derail the WWE. That is a pipe dream. The fans of the WWE and pro-wrestling have known that wrestling is fake for over fifty years now, and pro-wrestling has only gotten bigger, better, and worth ten to a hundred times more in the market than PRIDE FC or the UFC. There really is no competition between the WWE and MMA. It's apples and oranges. Sure, they are both fruit, but they are definately different (and, most people will eat both apples and oranges).

The WWE (or the former WWF) has a huge market, which is worldwide. They have superior market value and they craft their product in a superior fasion. The WWE has held the top ratings for Monday night for two decades.

The simple fact is that WWE fans do not generally make any jumps to the UFC or whatever. Every person out in the real world that I know that watches the WWE also watches MMA. There is no exclusivity there for anyone that I know. And, I bet that 90% of the ratings went to the WWE on their Homecoming to the USA network. Every WWE fan knew that the UFC and Spike TV would replay their event later in the week. I watched the WWE event, and then the encore of the UFC event. The UFC knew they were weak on Monday.

The WWE moved Smackdown to Friday night. That opens up Thursday for the UFC, and any smart promoter would jump to Thursday night for the UFC events on TV...

Unknown · 10-13-2005, 02:57 PM

A lot of people are under the impression that the WWE is a company that will never fail and will always be big. But that is far from the case. There were three separate occasions when WWF was competing with WCW that the WWF was on the verge of bankruptcy. Their problem is that they have a ridiculously huge operation cost and a slight drop in revenue will spell big problems for them. The UFC is very capable of doing that. Especially with their close relationship with Spike TV and it owner Viacom(which also owns UPN the other network showing the WWE). The UFC is a very real threat to the WWE.

As for people being a fan of both. I think that that will change. There is only so many times you can go from seeing people really hit each other and choke people out to watching some obviously finishing move or someone holding on in a submission move for minutes at a time. More and more people who like both will find themselves watching more UFC and forgetting a WWE event.

SWIBC · 10-13-2005, 04:35 PM

Jim Ross was fired as a storyline, also b/c he is to have major surgery very soon so a break was needed and this allows it. As an announcer he is great for wrestling. BTW Jim Ross does speak clearly and I'm not to sure you understand bells palsy all that well making a comment like that.

As for UFC/WWE competition I think it is limited right now, but in the future could become interesting.

subgenius · 10-13-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Grave

Meh if you insist. And no WWE is not huge,not anymore anyway.It has sucked too hard for too long, they could never EVER pull in the kinda rateings and fan interest they used to get around the late 90's. For the past few years WWE has been like watching a rashad & Tom match for two hours each monday-- tottally mediocre, forgettable fluff.

WWE and UFC are two tottally different kind of shows anyhow.

The WWE is certainly HUGE. You are not facing the reality.

subgenius · 10-13-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

You have to remember that it was 'the highest rated raw in over 4 years' so Grave might have a point too. Also professional wrestling as a whole has been on a decline since the three big organizations became one. Are they still big? Yes are they as big as they used to be? No. Are they on a decline? I’d have to say yes. You have to remember that the WWE pulled out all the stops on that night while Ultimate Fight Night Live only had a ‘good’ card and the UFC still put out a respectable showing. I haven’t seen the numbers myself but 4.4 and 1.6 sound about right so I’ll take your word for it. And I think that that is very impressive.
So in conclusion
UFC=smaller but growing
WWE=larger but shrinking.

That is just wrong.

Unknown · 10-13-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

That is just wrong.

An explanation on what you think was wrong would have given you point more validity.

subgenius · 10-13-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

I don't think that the UFC attempt to go mainstream has much to do with their decline. For as much as I rather have it the opposite the UFC has probably had little negative effect on the WWE. From the time the UFC tried to go mainstream to recently the WWE and the UFC have actually supported one another with the shows being so close to each other. It more that the professional wrestling industry itself is on a decline. Years of wrestlers coming out and admitting that it is fake hasn’t helped it at all.

For the past fifty plus years they have openly admitted that it was fake. Anyone that bases the popularity of the WWE (or any pro-wrestling) on reality versus fakeness is a person that is blind to why people watch the WWE or the former WWF or WCW or the NWA or ECW or AJPW or the old Mid-Atlantic and Florida Wrestling promotions. There is NO evidence of a decline based on reality versus fakeness... The old WCW even announced the outcomes of the WWF events, and THAT actually boosted the WWF ratings (the so-called Mick Folley HW Title win debacle that turned out to be a huge success for the WWF).

subgenius · 10-13-2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

A lot of people are under the impression that the WWE is a company that will never fail and will always be big. But that is far from the case. There were three separate occasions when WWF was competing with WCW that the WWF was on the verge of bankruptcy. Their problem is that they have a ridiculously huge operation cost and a slight drop in revenue will spell big problems for them. The UFC is very capable of doing that. Especially with their close relationship with Spike TV and it owner Viacom(which also owns UPN the other network showing the WWE). The UFC is a very real threat to the WWE.

As for people being a fan of both. I think that that will change. There is only so many times you can go from seeing people really hit each other and choke people out to watching some obviously finishing move or someone holding on in a submission move for minutes at a time. More and more people who like both will find themselves watching more UFC and forgetting a WWE event.

That is terribly ill-informed data. Sorry. The UFC is a threat to BOXING, but not pro-wrestling...

WWE... 256 TV shows per year... 12 PPV events per year (not counting their specials, just the actual live events), which is like 250+ events in 25 years... consistent high ratings, even during the so-called down periods (such as when WCW won for 18 weeks in a row, the WWE still did better than NFL MNF)... the WWE eclipsed all other long running TV programs of any type for sheer numbers of TV programs, but WWE RAW did that by itself... beating out Gunsmoke, which ran for twenty years... pro-wrestling has done nothing but continue to grow since 1980...

UFC... fewer than 50 TV shows EVER, only 55 PPV events EVER...

Again, which of these is the juggernaut?

AikaImmortal · 10-13-2005, 05:10 PM

how is it not a threat.. you give fans of wrestling REAL fights and REAL wrestling and some are bound to cross over. Trust me on that, aside from those who like the soap opera 'story' aspect.

subgenius · 10-13-2005, 05:14 PM

Cross over due to realism? Not really a factor. The realism or lack of it in pro-wrestling is NOT why people watch it...

AikaImmortal · 10-13-2005, 06:58 PM

I know about 5 or 6 people who crossed over to UFC after watching WWE, they didnt KNOW there was real fighting.

tufgirl14 · 10-13-2005, 07:08 PM

Im not trying to insult or anything... but it is kinda sad when a grown man or woman enjoys watching fake wrestling, much less paying 50 bucks to watch it on ppv. Maybe if there was no ufc, but thats the only way.

tufgirl14 · 10-13-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

That is terribly ill-informed data. Sorry. The UFC is a threat to BOXING, but not pro-wrestling...

WWE... 256 TV shows per year... 12 PPV events per year (not counting their specials, just the actual live events), which is like 250+ events in 25 years... consistent high ratings, even during the so-called down periods (such as when WCW won for 18 weeks in a row, the WWE still did better than NFL MNF)... the WWE eclipsed all other long running TV programs of any type for sheer numbers of TV programs, but WWE RAW did that by itself... beating out Gunsmoke, which ran for twenty years... pro-wrestling has done nothing but continue to grow since 1980...

UFC... fewer than 50 TV shows EVER, only 55 PPV events EVER...

Again, which of these is the juggernaut?

Whatever, all the UFC has to do is get more people to know what it is about... and thats what its doing, and those that prefer fake wrestling are just... well, they have bad taste.

tufgirl14 · 10-13-2005, 07:13 PM

P.S. Subgenius, the majority isnt always right. What, are you just trying to bust on everyones opinion? Dont take that offensively please, ur cool and stuff just askin.

subgenius · 10-13-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tufgirl14

Im not trying to insult or anything... but it is kinda sad when a grown man or woman enjoys watching fake wrestling, much less paying 50 bucks to watch it on ppv. Maybe if there was no ufc, but thats the only way.

Call it a flame post, but what you just said is retarded.