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Heatwaves · 01-27-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ge master

He is a gimmick why? He is the headliner of a PPV event. So, you can milk his status for one fight.Market him as a big deal. When he loses in 30 seconds, it doesn't matter. The UFC has your money. Mission accomplished.

Hmm... so the UFC only signed him for one fight? I've never seen them do that except with Royce Gracie.

Speaking of gimmicks... remember when the UFC put on that TUF gameshow where the winning 'also-ran' got a shot at the title? What a farce. Someone like that could never beat an elite fighter to win a title.

subgenius · 01-28-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kentified

pWnT to t3h m4x.

What I quoted came from a file on my computer that is like eight or nine months old. Somebody updated Lesnar's Wiki earlier this month and added a bunch of stuff. I should have just checked the Wikipedia first.

The new update also included "which drew a big response from the crowd of 6,000" and I had not seen that before either. For some reason they removed the "[ESPN]" and I guess that might be because SportsCenter is so well known that it did not need a clarification.

But, hey, I did say, "I think mostly pre-season." So, it's not like I was trying to hide any information. And, I was only correcting what Gooner tossed out there: "I thought he was cut before actually playing at all in the NFL." Well, pre-season football is the NFL. That was the whole point of our discussion.

Crashsti · 01-28-2008, 10:24 AM

Lesnar will make weight. Anyone who wrestled at the level he did while in college knows how to cut weight. Now can he win? Certainly. He's been doing nothing but train MMA for the last two years. He's also a physically gifted guy. Freakishly strong and also very agile for a man that size. Mir had better pray for a quick submission victory or he's in alot of trouble. Unless Mir had a dream where he witnessed the end of his MMA career and suddenly decided he'd better actually apply himself while at the gym.

Mickey Finn · 01-28-2008, 10:08 PM

i dont understand the dislike of mir on this board. he doesnt spend much time on his feet but he's actually got fairly sharp hands, and people make too much of a big deal of his cardio. i think he will be in decent shape for this fight. he came back too soon after his accident and you guys are harshly judging him on those performances. remember he was actually 8-1 and the hw champ of the ufc before the accident. id say he may well have the best bjj in the hw division and i think he showed that in his last fight and will do so against lesnar

giguer · 01-28-2008, 10:21 PM

I don't hate Mir, but I think Lesnar could be better for now. But we will see.

Gooner · 01-29-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

What I quoted came from a file on my computer that is like eight or nine months old. Somebody updated Lesnar's Wiki earlier this month and added a bunch of stuff. I should have just checked the Wikipedia first.

The new update also included "which drew a big response from the crowd of 6,000" and I had not seen that before either. For some reason they removed the "[ESPN]" and I guess that might be because SportsCenter is so well known that it did not need a clarification.

Yeah, that sounds rational...
The guy that's always copy+pasting Wikipedia in here, actually got this info from a "file on his computer" instead of just going to Wikipedia.

Anyhoo...

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Originally Posted by subgenius

But, hey, I did say, "I think mostly pre-season." So, it's not like I was trying to hide any information. And, I was only correcting what Gooner tossed out there: "I thought he was cut before actually playing at all in the NFL." Well, pre-season football is the NFL. That was the whole point of our discussion.

I disagree.

Playing in the NFL, or the National Football League, actually means playing in the league to me. Not in some pre-season games.

I'm sure at least all the Europeans can relate.
If someone plays a pre-season game for the Premier League team Arsenal, that doesn't mean he's actually played in the Premier League, does it.

But whatever, let's just agree we were both right.

And that you, erm, got that info from... a file on your computer.
Ta.

subgenius · 01-29-2008, 10:11 AM

Pre-season is part of the NFL schedule every year.

It is part of the NFL whether YOU like it or not.

T-Bone · 01-29-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Pre-season is part of the NFL schedule every year.

It is part of the NFL whether YOU like it or not.

Hmmm....Pre-season is part of the NFL but players in the pre-season are not necessarily NFL players.

subgenius · 01-29-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

Hmmm....Pre-season is part of the NFL but players in the pre-season are not necessarily NFL players.

That's BS. Tom Brady played in Pre-season games. Is he not a NFL player?

Ryduce · 01-29-2008, 10:21 AM

I think people will be surprised come weigh in time.

My money is that Lesnar will weigh around 245 and Mir will have 5 to 6 lbs on him.

subgenius · 01-29-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

I think people will be surprised come weigh in time.

My money is that Lesnar will weigh around 245 and Mir will have 5 to 6 lbs on him.

I would be surprised to see a 245 pound Brock Lesnar. He's a naturally big dude at 6'2" and 265 pounds. Frank Mir is 6'1" at 240 pounds. So, I guess anything could happen. Frank Mir is a huge guy. He tends to look small when he stands next to Tim Sylvia and other tall HW fighters. But, watch Mir on WEC and you can see that Mir makes fighters smaller than 200 pounds look really small next to Frank.

T-Bone · 01-29-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

That's BS. Tom Brady played in Pre-season games. Is he not a NFL player?

I said "not necessarily". You know pre-season is for potential NFL players as well. Why argue?

Gooner · 01-29-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

That's BS. Tom Brady played in Pre-season games. Is he not a NFL player?

LOL.

Great logic there.
You showed him.

FatCatMC · 01-29-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Pre-season is part of the NFL schedule every year.

It is part of the NFL whether YOU like it or not.

The difference is, whether you make the squad or not, you get to play in pre-season. He was not a starter, he was offered a spot on the practice squad and the "minor league" NFL Europe. Pre-season is the only time teams get to evaluate talent in real game situations, that's the only reason he played. Ladanian Tomlinson hasn't played in a pre-season game in over 2 seasons. Pre-season is nothing.

subgenius · 01-29-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

I said "not necessarily". You know pre-season is for potential NFL players as well. Why argue?

Pre-season is for warming up the players to real game competition without it affecting the normal season standings. Pre-season is exhibition football. But, it is the NFL. Brock Lesnar had to go through all the same stuff that all of the other players went through to try out for the team, to make the team, and to make it through spring or summer training in preparation for Pre-Season games, Season games, and Post-season games. I am sorry, but Brock Lesnar was an NFL player on the roster of the Vikings.

Ryduce · 01-29-2008, 10:37 AM

So when does the Hills vs Real World season 5 :the inferno part deux come on?

T-Bone · 01-29-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I am sorry, but Brock Lesnar was an NFL player on the roster of the Vikings.

...in the pre-season.

What does NFL.com say?
NFL Historical Player Search Results

How about another reputable site - Pro Football Reference?
Search PFR - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Do you also think Garth Brooks, who played in Spring Training games for the Padres, was a Major League Baseball player?

FatCatMC · 01-29-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Pre-season is for warming up the players to real game competition without it affecting the normal season standings. Pre-season is exhibition football. But, it is the NFL. Brock Lesnar had to go through all the same stuff that all of the other players went through to try out for the team, to make the team, and to make it through spring or summer training in preparation for Pre-Season games, Season games, and Post-season games. I am sorry, but Brock Lesnar was an NFL player on the roster of the Vikings.

Pre-Season NFL Roster = 75 players

Teams must cut the roster down to 53 for the beginning of the season. That means 22 players that play in pre-season don't actually make the team, which includes Brock Lesnar. He was not an NFL player on an official roster. Sorry.

subgenius · 01-29-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Pre-Season NFL Roster = 75 players

Teams must cut the roster down to 53 for the beginning of the season. That means 22 players that play in pre-season don't actually make the team, which includes Brock Lesnar. He was not an NFL player on an official roster. Sorry.

I am not arguing that. "After playing in a few games, Lesnar was eventually cut from the team after not showing up for practices due to an injury sustained by a motorcycle ride during the summer of 2004." It does not say that he was cut because he could not make it or that the Vikings did not want him. Just the opposite. "He declined an invitation to play as a representative of the Vikings in NFL Europa." That ended his NFL career. Lesnar had not played football in nine years before he tried out for the Vikings. Lesnar had, indeed, signed a contract with the Vikings while in training camp.

FatCatMC · 01-29-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I am not arguing that. "After playing in a few games, Lesnar was eventually cut from the team after not showing up for practices due to an injury sustained by a motorcycle ride during the summer of 2004." It does not say that he was cut because he could not make it or that the Vikings did not want him. Just the opposite. "He declined an invitation to play as a representative of the Vikings in NFL Europa." That ended his NFL career. Lesnar had not played football in nine years before he tried out for the Vikings.

Stop trying to stretch the meaning of everything you're quoting. There was no NFL career, and playing in NFL Europe is not playing in the NFL. He declined, because they basically told him he's not good enough, but maybe after learning the sport for a bit (in Europe), we'll give you another look.

Michael Jordan played some baseball in the White Sox farm system and that certainly doesn't qualify him as a Major League Baseball player. No difference.