Randy Speaks on Lawsuit.....

StratTone · 02-07-2008, 01:45 PM

Good read I guess but I still think Randy is in the wrong here.

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theEmpiric · 02-07-2008, 02:47 PM

This whole thing is just very childish, on both sides.

Randy was in contract, just because the UFC couldn't sign Fedor doesn't give him the right to back out on all contractual obligations. Had the UFC not granted him an immediately title shot at Tim, he wouldn't be in a position to even ask for a fight with Fedor. --- Boooo Randy

The UFC banning his clothing line and not showing training of Wandy at his gym etc, is just plain childish, and Randy's right, it has more effect on the other fighters than it does on Randy. --- Boooo UFC

So all in all, everyone is flawed, no one is perfect.

I just wanna see good fights, and I want the fighters to be paid accordingly.

GeorgeXVX · 02-07-2008, 03:33 PM

Its so disgusting that people will support the UFC here... like who would have figured. I really do think supporting the UFC in a case like this is like supporting Major Lables in music over the artists who make the music. if you support the Major Lable over the artists and claim to love music you are an ass hole!

OneBigThrow · 02-07-2008, 03:40 PM

i think the people supportng the UFC in this issue are supporting...what do you call it....o! CONTRACT LAW.

if you dont like it, tough ****, its in the statutes

artists dont go around voiding their own contracts, they fulfill the number of albums they have to make under the label then either quit the industry, go independent, switch labels or die of drug overdoses and homicides

not the same thing, those departures are not in violation of their contracts

FrankenJim · 02-07-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by theEmpiric

This whole thing is just very childish, on both sides.

Randy was in contract, just because the UFC couldn't sign Fedor doesn't give him the right to back out on all contractual obligations. Had the UFC not granted him an immediately title shot at Tim, he wouldn't be in a position to even ask for a fight with Fedor. --- Boooo Randy

The UFC banning his clothing line and not showing training of Wandy at his gym etc, is just plain childish, and Randy's right, it has more effect on the other fighters than it does on Randy. --- Boooo UFC

So all in all, everyone is flawed, no one is perfect.

I just wanna see good fights, and I want the fighters to be paid accordingly.

Spot on!!!! 100% couldnt argee moe mate

Saskabush · 02-07-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OneBigThrow

i think the people supportng the UFC in this issue are supporting...what do you call it....o! CONTRACT LAW.

if you dont like it, tough ****, its in the statutes

artists dont go around voiding their own contracts, they fulfill the number of albums they have to make under the label then either quit the industry, go independent, switch labels or die of drug overdoses and homicides

not the same thing, those departures are not in violation of their contracts

I actually agree with you 100% here, thanks for saving me the trouble of posting something similar. This whole argument can be solved by stating the fact that Randy signed a contract and now does not want to honour it. Not much more to it than this.

Cuts O Meat · 02-07-2008, 03:57 PM

Contracts are voided everyday. No big deal really. Though some people here seem to view them in the same caliber as marriage vows.

CapAmericaFTW · 02-07-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuts O Meat

Though some people here seem to view them in the same caliber as marriage vows.

Seems like Couture's the one putting his contract on the same level as marriage vows...able to be instantly made null and void at either party's convenience.

...I say that as a hardcore Couture fan, at least while he's fighting/training someone.

Mickey Finn · 02-07-2008, 07:01 PM

i have to agree with the first reply

but in my head i think "oh shut up randy just fight big nog and then leave"

Kurtis636 · 02-07-2008, 07:23 PM

I think it's a slap in the face to Nog for Couture to continue this hold out. OK, so Randy feels like he only really wants to fight Fedor. Fine, come back, fight Nog, and then retire win or lose and sign with M-1. It's not like they're forcing Randy to wear a dress and fight Eddie Sanchez. Randy needs to realize that sometimes you don't always get everything you want.

The UFC is in the right here because of the contract. Athletes hold out all the time, and sometimes they succeed in getting the team or organization to renegotiate. Sometimes they just waste a year and cost themselves tons of money. Your contract is separate from other people's contracts, just because some guy is making more than you does not entitle you to more money. You can try to hold out, but it guarantees you nothing and makes you look greedy and small.

I agree that the UFC is being petty by banning his clothing line and refusing to show his gym, etc, but they're still in the right legally.

kev0 · 02-08-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Saskabush

I actually agree with you 100% here, thanks for saving me the trouble of posting something similar. This whole argument can be solved by stating the fact that Randy signed a contract and now does not want to honour it. Not much more to it than this.

It isn't really that simple when it comes to combat sports.. The UFC can't "make" Randy fight. No one can force anyone to step into the cage and put their life on the line. What it really comes down to is how long is the UFC legally allowed to stop him from fighting somewhere else? His contract may "expire" in October, but I'm pretty sure Dana will be able to get some sort of sanction put on him for at least 6 months-1 year that says he can't fight anywhere else. And by then it'll be too late. PLEASE HANDY, FIGHT NOG

StratTone · 02-08-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OneBigThrow

i think the people supportng the UFC in this issue are supporting...what do you call it....o! CONTRACT LAW.

if you dont like it, tough ****, its in the statutes

artists dont go around voiding their own contracts, they fulfill the number of albums they have to make under the label then either quit the industry, go independent, switch labels or die of drug overdoses and homicides

not the same thing, those departures are not in violation of their contracts

I agree totally. I think a lot of people have a hard time seeing both sides of the story and understanding. I'll use music as an example because it was brought up. I have been a musician for the past 14 years and that is only one part of the game. As a guitar player I am a team member. I also do full band recording and until I did that I never realized what all was involved in getting down good tracks, knowing good software, mics (condensor, dynamic, and placement). So being a guitar player of a band is just one part. I can't demand everything. A fighter has nothing do to with the production side of things as the UFC does all of it for there org. The UFC even helps build fighters into names. Then it is the fighters responsibility to take the name built for them and make money with it. Had the UFC not done what it did for the fighters the fighters would still be making peanuts. Same goes for music. If you don't have someone with money to get the music out there......guess what......it won't be heard. Now there are unique musicians and fighters that take the whole thing on themselves and do all production, recording, marketing, writing, performing but it really is a lot to know and strain on fighters and musicians alike.

The fighters need the UFC and the UFC needs the fighters but in all honesty the fighters need the UFC more than the UFC needs them.

Back to the subject. Randy brought all of this on himself. You need to be a man of your word and follow through with contracts. Especially in his case where he loses 2 in a row. Beats Vernan White and gets a Title shot??? Plus 500k bonus....... What in the world is he complaining about....

RIPPEN · 02-08-2008, 03:12 PM

Iam starting to REALLY hope the UFC pours the coals to him in this.. It had gotten so outta hand its unreal.. Then some of you on this site side with Randy and say he shouldn't have to honor the contract HE signed?? My god I hope none of you people hold any sort of power in the real world..

Point blank.. He should have manned up, honored his contract and continued on as a badass.. Instead its gone this far and now I see him as whiner.. Its sad..

Oh, and what would a music artist be without the recording studios, stages, promotion, distribution companys? One would be ignorant to believe the UFC needs Randy more than Randy needed/needs the UFC..

GeorgeXVX · 02-08-2008, 03:42 PM

this thread makes me sick... i hope (as a fighter who is training very hard trying to make this my living) that most of you realize how ****ed you are!

Cuts O Meat · 02-08-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CapAmericaFTW

Seems like Couture's the one putting his contract on the same level as marriage vows...able to be instantly made null and void at either party's convenience.

...I say that as a hardcore Couture fan, at least while he's fighting/training someone.

I compared it to marriage vows because at least here people (most, but not all) shun upon a divorce.

Now working in DC I see contracts all day. And Everyday I see contracts voided for all sorts of reasons. It happens. I don't know why people are getting so butt hurt about this.

GeorgeXVX · 02-08-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuts O Meat

I compared it to marriage vows because at least here people (most, but not all) shun upon a divorce.

Now working in DC I see contracts all day. And Everyday I see contracts voided for all sorts of reasons. It happens. I don't know why people are getting so butt hurt about this.

because the UFC is their only real connection to MMA... duh if your not with them your not important anymore!

mxfuel · 02-08-2008, 03:51 PM

I would guess that Randy had it in his contract that he could retire at anytime. After all he came out of retirement and in reality he didn't know if he would win. If he came back on was on a loosinng streak I am sure he would opt to retire. (At least I hope that was in his contract).

opsy · 02-08-2008, 05:01 PM

Whoever may be in the right or the wrong here, Randy did say the following:

"They weren't able to get Fedor, and that's the only real fight that makes sense to me right now."

This is completely disrespecting the rest of the heavyweight division. Basically saying that the people that they have in line for him don't qualify as the caliber of fighter he wishes to face. All issues aside, he is forgetting about/disregarding those people and what they have accomplished.

StratTone · 02-10-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by opsy

Whoever may be in the right or the wrong here, Randy did say the following:

"They weren't able to get Fedor, and that's the only real fight that makes sense to me right now."

This is completely disrespecting the rest of the heavyweight division. Basically saying that the people that they have in line for him don't qualify as the caliber of fighter he wishes to face. All issues aside, he is forgetting about/disregarding those people and what they have accomplished.

I agree totally. And if he thinks there is no real fight for him in the UFC anymore then step in there and prove it.

MTK · 02-11-2008, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeXVX

this thread makes me sick... i hope (as a fighter who is training very hard trying to make this my living) that most of you realize how ****ed you are!

Dana White gave one of my friends a shot in the UFC. A multiple fight commitment at that. Not all of us are going to think the way you do. If it wasn't for the UFC, he might have never been able to show what kind of fighter he is to the world.