Possible rules change for MMA (please check this out)

diablerie27 · 10-14-2005, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

If a tapping out didn't end a fight you would have people tapping out all the time just to get a break and then come back and win.

yes, excellent point. i was going to say the same thing in my post but you beat me to the draw.

subgenius · 10-14-2005, 04:11 PM

If you think that MMA fighters want to go three full rounds or five full rounds (in a title fight) in EVERY fight just to please the fans, then you ARE CRAZY! Arlovski did EXACTLY what I would do, or what any fighter would do... He ended that fight AS FAST AS HE COULD. And, he did it ON PURPOSE. Sure, he did not (likely) know that his first real punch of the fight would KO Buentello, but he certainly was trying for just that outcome, IMO.

If Dana White told me to extend a fight by being less aggressive, then I would say yes to him... Then, I would go out and try to end the fight in :15 seconds, if I could. I would blatantly disregard Dana White for the idea of maintaining my own physical and mental safety. In other words, I would see that Dana White (or, insert promoter here) did not care about me as the fighter... That he would rather see me dead or permanently injured just please the fans, rather than risk losing some money on a :15 second main event. If I play nice, go easy on the opponent, then the risk for me is GREATLY increased. The danger of death even looms heavily in that way of thinking.

Look at Tyson's earliest fights and title fights before that Douglas (WWE style) faked match (sorry, I just never believed that match wasn't fixed). Mike Tyson went for those fast KOs. He did not care about what some fan thought ought to be a great fight. He was looking for the FASTEST victory. THAT is a smart fighter. Screw the fans, if they want brain damage and severe crippling injuries...

By the way, many PRIDE FC fans will be getting mad at PRIDE FC. The PRIDE FC big guns are considering a rules switch that will become more like K-1 MMA fights... That will pretty much be the end of PRIDE FC for me as far as my interests go. I like K-1, but I like the UFC and (the current rules) PRIDE FC 100 times more than K-1...

AikaImmortal · 10-14-2005, 04:16 PM

The standup fights are going to be under a different brand name, sort of like Bushido.. this is mostly being done to try to edge K-1 out of the market as they have the highest payroll and view rates in Japan.. and with K-1s recent launch of HEROs, an MMA show, its an 'eye for an eye' sort of grudge thing.

sithfish · 10-14-2005, 10:17 PM

Who says that a 15 second knockout wasn't worth the money? When I buy a pay per view fight I'm never looking for the longest fights. I'm looking for the best fights. The most decisive fights. The most viscious fights. I want to see who would win a battle between two warriors and I have little care as to how long it takes to happen. I have much bigger issues with fights that drag on as the opponents do nothing to damage each other. I pay to see someone come into the octagon (or ring) and leave it all out there. If someone goes down early, then so be it. If the fight goes five rounds but they don't give it everything then I'll start complaining about how some rules need to be changed. I'm sorry but some fighters are just that good. Subgenious mentioned Mike Tyson fighting in his prime. That man became legendary simply because he knocked people out so fast. I don't think anyone ever accused Tyson of having boring fights. He became legendary because of his tenacity, not in spite of it.

Beast-52 · 10-14-2005, 10:32 PM

These rule changes sound dangerous.

Some guys dont tap, take Sylvia for exampl, he wouldn't tap to Mir and ended up with a broken arm.

and being ktfo once is enough.

Unknown · 10-14-2005, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Beast-52

\Some guys dont tap, take Sylvia for exampl, he wouldn't tap to Mir and ended up with a broken arm.

I don't think that Sylvia even knew that his arm was broken.

Beast-52 · 10-14-2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

I don't think that Sylvia even knew that his arm was broken.

wow, that sucks, I dont get how they just dont realise that they didnt break their arms, just like that josh kid or w.e. in the first TUF fight with melvin.

cuzeeeboy · 10-14-2005, 11:32 PM

I like the idea of a point system like a punch is 1 a kick is 1 etc...

angryjonny · 10-14-2005, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sithfish

Who says that a 15 second knockout wasn't worth the money? When I buy a pay per view fight I'm never looking for the longest fights. I'm looking for the best fights. The most decisive fights. The most viscious fights. I want to see who would win a battle between two warriors and I have little care as to how long it takes to happen. I have much bigger issues with fights that drag on as the opponents do nothing to damage each other. I pay to see someone come into the octagon (or ring) and leave it all out there. If someone goes down early, then so be it. If the fight goes five rounds but they don't give it everything then I'll start complaining about how some rules need to be changed. I'm sorry but some fighters are just that good. Subgenious mentioned Mike Tyson fighting in his prime. That man became legendary simply because he knocked people out so fast. I don't think anyone ever accused Tyson of having boring fights. He became legendary because of his tenacity, not in spite of it.

I understand your views. But I, for one, do not want to see a 15 second "main event" UFC 52 barely over 2 minute main event was disappointing to me. Sorry but I like to see fights last longer than that.

subgenius · 10-15-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

I understand your views. But I, for one, do not want to see a 15 second "main event" UFC 52 barely over 2 minute main event was disappointing to me. Sorry but I like to see fights last longer than that.

If more people felt that way, then the rules changes might be more about eliminating striking from the sport of MMA. You may be saying no to that idea, but as long as striking is in the game there will ALWAYS be the chance of a fifteen-second fight. As with the eight-second Randy Couture fight that holds the record for the fastest fight, IIRC...

If you refuse to buy PPVs because you think that the main event will be extremely short, then you may have to reconsider that the sport of MMA is not the sport for you. I mean that generally, not to any specific person. I know people that hate MMA and Boxing and such because of the striking and its potential to cause brain damage or even death...

rich longstreet · 10-15-2005, 01:09 PM

if that were the case we would be watching boxing. so i say leave it alone .if you cant stay with the big dogs stay on the porch!!!!!

subgenius · 10-15-2005, 01:17 PM

Either Boxing, or worse... We would end up with high school or olympic wrestling. As interesting as olympic or HS wrestling are, wrestling can be VERY boring to watch. I could never watch it the way I watch the UFC or the WWE...

angryjonny · 10-15-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

If more people felt that way, then the rules changes might be more about eliminating striking from the sport of MMA. You may be saying no to that idea, but as long as striking is in the game there will ALWAYS be the chance of a fifteen-second fight. As with the eight-second Randy Couture fight that holds the record for the fastest fight, IIRC...

If you refuse to buy PPVs because you think that the main event will be extremely short, then you may have to reconsider that the sport of MMA is not the sport for you. I mean that generally, not to any specific person. I know people that hate MMA and Boxing and such because of the striking and its potential to cause brain damage or even death...

I know what you are saying. It's not like it hasn't happened before. Shoot, I think they said something about it being the 7th shortest fight in UFC or something like that, and I remember a few but not all of them that were quicker. Also, it's not that I don't like to see a KO. I just like to see wars. A one punch KO is just disappointing, ya know? While it is exciting, I prefer to see a brawl, like Forrest and Elvis for example. Even that fight was stopped too early. Maybe I'm saying that because I just didn't want it to be over because I don't know the damage that Elvis sustained, it was just too exciting to be over all ready.

Don Frye had an 8 second KO. Is that what you were referring to?

subgenius · 10-15-2005, 03:49 PM

Yeah, I think it was Frye... Either that, or Frye has the PRIDE FC fastest KO and Couture has the UFC fastest KO. I am not speaking from experience with actually seeing the fastest KO, but I seem to recall the announcer saying that Couture had the eight-second KO. It seemed odd at the time, and I am willing to bet that the announcer was talking out his butt. Rogan would have known, I think, but it was that other new guy that said it... so I doubt if he was correct. I am not even sure where to look to find out who has the fastest MMA KOs...

EDIT UPDATE: I did a quick search for "fastest MMA KO" and this is what I found...

Cage Rage 4 (2003)

"Ross Pettifer earned himself the worlds fastest MMA victory in just under 3 seconds when he shin blocked his opponents low kick in the very first action of their fight snapping Evans tibia. Evans has since had surgery and is reported to be doing well and in good spirits."

angryjonny · 10-15-2005, 03:53 PM

Don KO'd Thomas Ramirez in 8 seconds. It was at UFC 8, and it was Frye's first MMA fight. I don't know how quickly he finished anyone off in Pride. I don't recall him having any quick fights, but I also having seen all his fights in Pride yet. I don't know if Randy has any matches ended that quickly but he has had some pretty quick finishes himself.

angryjonny · 10-15-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Ross Pettifer earned himself the worlds fastest MMA victory in just under 3 seconds when he shin blocked his opponents low kick in the very first action of their fight snapping Evans tibia. Evans has since had surgery and is reported to be doing well and in good spirits.[/font]

Yowza!!!

I'm wondering how fast they ran at eachother or what the heck happened. Usually it takes the guys a few seconds to take the center of the ring. That's wild.

subgenius · 10-15-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Don KO'd Thomas Ramirez in 8 seconds. It was at UFC 8, and it was Frye's first MMA fight. I don't know how quickly he finished anyone off in Pride. I don't recall him having any quick fights, but I also having seen all his fights in Pride yet. I don't know if Randy has any matches ended that quickly but he has had some pretty quick finishes himself.

I have to say that you are right. I know Couture is good and all that, but never knew him as a fast striker and KO specialist. That new announcer from UFC 55, still can't remember that dude's name, was wrong...

EDIT (AGAIN, LOL): I looked Couture up on Sherdog, and checked out all his KO victories. He never beat anyone in :08 seconds. So, that announcer had a brain fart or his info is butt backwards, LOL.

EDIT (WOOHOO, AGAIN, LOL): You are right, Angry. I found this as well...

MMAFighting.Com

"Mark Weir vs. Eugene Jackson: The next fight had Mark "The Wizard" Weir taking on Eugene "The Wolf" Jackson. Weir makes his UFC debut and Jackson is fighting for his 7th time in the UFC. Weir (6 feet 2) has a 6 inch height advantage. Jackson is known for having the heavy hitting hands, but Weir is the one who shows it here. Once the fight started, Weir attempted a high kick which missed, but quickly caught Jackson with a KO punch on the chin. Jackson fell to the mat and still looked dazed minutes after the fight had ended. The undefeated Weir makes an impressive debut by defeating Jackson in 10 seconds of the first round.

It was announced as the quickest KO in UFC history, but Don Frye had a quicker one at UFC 8. Frye knocked out his opponent Thomas Ramirez in 8 seconds at that event."

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 10-15-2005, 04:05 PM

i agree to a point. just look at pro boxing , the fighters get standing 8 counts as well as the 10 seconds for a knockdown. i also believe in true combat.

Unknown · 10-15-2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The 5th "NDN" Hokage

i agree to a point. just look at pro boxing , the fighters get standing 8 counts as well as the 10 seconds for a knockdown. i also believe in true combat.

Thats why alot boxers have major brain damage. In the UFC with the lighter gloves It would kill fighters. And as for 'i also believe in ture combat' what are you talking about.

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 10-15-2005, 04:28 PM

bushido my ma man, buu-shii-do. thats what i mean.