Possible rules change for MMA (please check this out)

Unknown · 10-15-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The 5th "NDN" Hokage

bushido my ma man, buu-shii-do. thats what i mean.

Bushido - ethical code of conduct for the members of the Samurai class.
Justice and Morality Courage Benevolence Respect Honesty Honor, Glory Loyalty

I prefer Honor, Courage, Commitment.
Today True Combat is push a button and millions die. No rules just win.

MMA is sport. The purpose is not to have a fight to the death but to have honest fighters competing between each other. I’m sorry but as I said before the mainstream fans just don’t know enough to make good judgment on what the rules in MMA should be. Some of the other guys who box with me think that it is a fight. But its not. It’s a sport with rules. And those rules are good. They make it entertaining and they protect the fighters. It would be a very sad day where MMA was replaced by a ‘two men enter one man leave’ thing just to entertain the fans. These ‘rule changes would be a bad idea.’ If you think that I should be then there are probably plenty of underground fight clubs to satisfy your intrest. And I think that most fighters would be appalled by them.

subgenius · 10-15-2005, 05:46 PM

I think he may have meant PRIDE FC's Bushido... Maybe not, if he is such a new fan of MMA

At any rate, I have been thinking about this issue for a few days now, and some things occurred to me that may or may not seem right.

The rules of the current game of MMA (the sport of it, if you like) is designed to prevent serious career or life ending injuries. As mentioned by Unknown, it is not "real" combat in the sense of kill or be killed no holds barred fighting. It cannot be that way for a wide variety of reasons...

What I find interesting is that the career of a MMA fighter is comparatively shorter than most any other athletic sport outside of pro-football, where the average career lasts about four or five years (if the player is lucky). If a fighter is good, and keeps free of too many injuries, then they can last for a long time... If you make the rules so that they can recieve multiple blows to the head that KO, then the career of the fighter will end--FAST!

Compare that to the WWE, which seems to have NO rules. A pro-wrestler can go for two or three decades, provided they have a marketable personality and image or gimmick. Since the fights are all staged, choreographed, practiced, and scripted, then they have a long time in that career. The only thing that can end the career is a serious ACCIDENTAL injury. This why people like Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Sean Micheals, and so on are able to go for so long. Flair has been wrestling since 1972!

We don't want MMA to go that route... We want real fighters in real fights. It is an irony that this can mean brutal beatings and short careers. I like many of the fighters. I would want to hope that they would last more than five years... It would be nice to see them last a decade or more. MMA has only been a sport for about (maybe) fifteen or twenty years. The UFC and PRIDE FC are young sports, 12 years and nine years respectively. Can you think of any MMA fighter from 1993 in the UFC that will be around in 2013?

Well, this is why the sport, or game, of MMA needs strict rules and highly protective referees. It is better to end the fight prematurely, rather then to see the fighters brutally permanently injured and their careers ended...

Unknown · 10-15-2005, 06:41 PM

I don’t know if he was talking about Pride’s Bushido. I didn’t think so when he posted because he seemed new to MMA and it did not seem to me to have anything to do with ‘true combat’ But you do make some interesting points, subgenius. I would also like to see fighters around for longer than that. Speaking of that, I think that Tank Abbot could be around till 2013.

He’s everywhere.

And I do agree. I would rather see a fight stopped too early and be able to see the guy fight again then have it stopped too late and never see the fighter again.

Grave · 10-15-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

If a tapping out didn't end a fight you would have people tapping out all the time just to get a break and then come back and win. And most fighters would be much more aggressive with their submission moves and end up causing permanent damage.

Agreed. They would be all that much more agressive just to make sure the other guy could not continue after that.

Which would result in a lot more needless injuries, with every fighter having the mindset that they are aiming to cause as much *DAMAGE* as possible to the other guy,when they have a chance for a submission. To ensure the fight will not continue.

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 10-15-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

Bushido - ethical code of conduct for the members of the Samurai class.
Justice and Morality Courage Benevolence Respect Honesty Honor, Glory Loyalty

I prefer Honor, Courage, Commitment.
Today True Combat is push a button and millions die. No rules just win.

MMA is sport. The purpose is not to have a fight to the death but to have honest fighters competing between each other. I’m sorry but as I said before the mainstream fans just don’t know enough to make good judgment on what the rules in MMA should be. Some of the other guys who box with me think that it is a fight. But its not. It’s a sport with rules. And those rules are good. They make it entertaining and they protect the fighters. It would be a very sad day where MMA was replaced by a ‘two men enter one man leave’ thing just to entertain the fans. These ‘rule changes would be a bad idea.’ If you think that I should be then there are probably plenty of underground fight clubs to satisfy your intrest. And I think that most fighters would be appalled by them.

you misunderstood me , i have been a fan of mma since the beginning. ive been a fan of mma even before november of 1993. as for your "definition from the dictionary" you are obviously young and have yet to experience a true warriors code.

AikaImmortal · 10-15-2005, 09:27 PM

You seem overly obsessed with the warriors code. Honor and respect should be paramount in every aspect of your life and to belittle others for not coming to the socalled enlightment you claim, you are dishonoring the same codes you obsess over.

SEPPUKU FOR YOU!

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 10-15-2005, 09:33 PM

kid you know nothing of bushido. while i agree with most budo code, there are also aspects of it that i do not agree with. like, for instance ,did you know most samurai would behead you if you did not bow lower than them. stupid, huh? no honour in that. you know nothing of me man.

AikaImmortal · 10-15-2005, 09:35 PM

kid? Show some more respect, and watch who you call kid.

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 10-15-2005, 09:41 PM

if you are a fan of tank abbotts technique then that shows what you know. buggaro!!!

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 10-15-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

kid? Show some more respect, and watch who you call kid.

i'm trying to get through to this "UNKNOWN" kid he disrespected me in tha first place.

Unknown · 10-15-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The 5th "NDN" Hokage

you misunderstood me , i have been a fan of mma since the beginning. ive been a fan of mma even before november of 1993. as for your "definition from the dictionary" you are obviously young and have yet to experience a true warriors code.

Kid... Hun? Pal I am Sailor in the US Navy and know a lot more about Honor than most people ever will. My comment about Tank abbot was because he was in the First UFC I ever watched and I ordered my first Pride event and he was there too. Also being an amateur boxer and high school wrestler myself I know a lot about what it means to be in competition with someone. It’s more about the competition between fighters then entertainment. I never disrespected you. If you feel that I did then you have a lot to learn.

angryjonny · 10-15-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The 5th "NDN" Hokage

i'm trying to get through to this "UNKNOWN" kid he disrespected me in tha first place.

How did Unknown disrespect you? Don't start drama here. We all try to get along. I don't think calling anyone kid and acting tough is necessary. But hey do whatever you want.

AikaImmortal · 10-15-2005, 09:57 PM

Unknown is one of the more respectable members we have

Unknown · 10-15-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

Unknown is one of the more respectable members we have

Well thank you.

AikaImmortal · 10-15-2005, 10:02 PM

and people say I am 'mean' :P

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 10-16-2005, 04:42 AM

hey no hard feelings man. ya just pissed me off when you thought i was a rookie. but as for you being in the navy{u.s.) my respect is lost for all government forces that were part of the genocide commited against my people.

glockmn · 10-16-2005, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The 5th "NDN" Hokage

hey no hard feelings man. ya just pissed me off when you thought i was a rookie. but as for you being in the navy{u.s.) my respect is lost for all government forces that were part of the genocide commited against my people.

whio are your people?

Unknown · 10-16-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The 5th "NDN" Hokage

hey no hard feelings man. ya just pissed me off when you thought i was a rookie. but as for you being in the navy{u.s.) my respect is lost for all government forces that were part of the genocide commited against my people.

Strange..... I can't remember committing any genocide lately.

But ill have to check my diary to make sure.

subgenius · 10-16-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The 5th "NDN" Hokage

hey no hard feelings man. ya just pissed me off when you thought i was a rookie. but as for you being in the navy{u.s.) my respect is lost for all government forces that were part of the genocide commited against my people.

I am confused... What does this have to do with MMA, the UFC, or fighting sports

We should, right now, steer AWAY from a political discourse regarding anything outside of MMA. We will all be much better off for that...

Unknown · 10-16-2005, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I am confused... What does this have to do with MMA, the UFC, or fighting sports

We should, right now, steer AWAY from a political discourse regarding anything outside of MMA. We will all be much better off for that...

You have a point. So back on topic is there anything else someone has to say on the original topic. So if you need to see it again and are too lazy to go back to the first page.

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Originally Posted by fightfankev

UFC 55 has made me think about some possible rules changes for MMA competition. I was kind of disappointed when I heard that Andre won in 15 seconds because people do not pay to see that happen. They want to see a war if possible. Maybe some of these rule changes could make fights more exciting to the fans. I would really like the feedback of any actual MMA fighters on the proposed rules here. I am no athlete so I don't know anything about what it is actually like in the ring. I am simply looking at this from a fans perspective and mean no disrespect to the fighters.

Rules change 1

A knockout counts as one decision during a fight. The fighter is given a designated amount of time to recover from a ko. If the referee feels that the fighter should not continue at any time during the rest period he can stop the fight. So fights could still be stopped by the ref at any time. This rule would make it possible for fighters who were caught with hard shots to recover and possibly come back to win the fight.

Rules change 2

Basically the same as one except this time with submissions. A submission counts as a decision and the referee can stop the fight at any time during a rest period or at the time of submission if he feels that is warranted.

This would allow for longer and more exciting fights. Are these rule changes realistic. Am I being to hard on the fighters here? I have seen quite a few fights where a fighter has been pummeled and knocked out only to be up a couple of minutes later to do an interview. Let me know what you guys think. Am I nuts?

Any new thought?