Hey
I'm new to watching UFC only recently got into it thanks to getting sky finally.
I ordered UFC 1 & 2 and spent most of sunday watching it. What a differnce between then and now in every aspect of. I really appreciate the way MMA has become an art of its own though I did like the original concept of is my karate better than your kicboxing better then your sumo better than your jujitsu. I also liked watching guys that were great in there own TMA circles get destroyed against someone that didnt conform to their rules and expectations. The one that surprised me tho was the boxer who tapped without a submission or GnP being applied. I know a boxer might no be comfortable or knowledgeable when it comes to ground work but surely he could have made an attempt to fight back. I also loved seeing the Ninja run and and mauled within seconds.
I'd love at the next UFC event see possible demonstration events of TMA against TMA as a homage to the foundation of UFC
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The one that surprised me tho was the boxer who tapped without a submission or GnP being applied
Apparently Art Jimmerson (the boxer) wanted to pull out of his fight after seeing how brutal the first few fights were, but his manager gave him the one glove and told him to give it a go against Royce, but if it went to the ground then to tap before he had a chance to hurt him.
I wondered why he tapped so quickly.
It's ironic though because out of all the opponents he could've had he got Gracie who would have made him tap but would have been the least brutal with him.
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I wondered why he tapped so quickly.
It's ironic though because out of all the opponents he could've had he got Gracie who would have made him tap but would have been the least brutal with him.
I dunno man, Royce really layed it on with those submissions in the early events. Talk about cranking an armbar!
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Oh yeah he definately cranked on those submissions but compared to the other fights where guys were getting pounded Gracies subs were short bursts of pain compared to getting your face pounded
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Delta - it must've been cool to watch 1 & 2...oh yeah, very different "sport" now.
About those subs....Royce held on for so long.
Yeah I remember 1 event in particular when the guy had tapped and it was not stopped but the guy was honest and admitted he tapped. Everytime after that Royce seemed to drive the point home on his subs so I think I understand to a certain extent b/c he seemed a little upset over that earlier incident.....
Last edited by FightFan76; 02-11-2008 at 02:59 PM.
Those were certainly different days. It was open to basically anyone at that time. How things have changed and very few fighters from the early days would stand a chance against the modern athletes we see fight today.
The first time Royce fought Ken Shamrock, Ken tapped to a sub and Royce let him go. The ref missed the whole thing and allowed the fight to continue. Ken did the right thing and told the ref he quit, but you could see he gave a fleeting thought to continuing. In every fight after that Royce locked on a sub and had to be pried off.
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The first time Royce fought Ken Shamrock, Ken tapped to a sub and Royce let him go. The ref missed the whole thing and allowed the fight to continue. Ken did the right thing and told the ref he quit, but you could see he gave a fleeting thought to continuing. In every fight after that Royce locked on a sub and had to be pried off.
^^^^What I was about to post.
Those refs (and commentators) were so clueless back in the day.
Even in the first fight. Gordeau kicks the sumo guy in the mouth, and the ref steps in like "timeout". WTF?
I remember reading an interesting story about that Jimmerson fight in a magazine.
So BJM was hanging out with the fighters the day before the event when he was approached by Jimmerson.BJM was of course one of Royce's training partners,and Jimmerson wanted to know what to expect.Jimmerson was bragging about how great of a jab he had and demonstrated to BJM.BJM told him he had a great jab,but said when you're close enough to utilize the jab I am close enough to take you down.So Jimmerson became very curious and started working live scenarios with BJM.Once Jimmerson threw his jab BJM immediately clinched,took him down,mounted him,and in transition armbarred him.They repeated different scenarios several times,all ending with Jimmerson getting armbarred or choked.Afterwards,a dejected Jimmerson asked BJM,"He's going to break my arms and legs isn't he?"BJM responded by telling him all he has to do is tap if he is put in an uncomfortable situation.The following day at UFC 1 Jimmerson quickly tapped after Royce had only gotten mount with grapevines.BJM knew that it was his doing the previous evening that caused Jimmerson to tap so fast.
I remember reading an interesting story about that Jimmerson fight in a magazine.
So BJM was hanging out with the fighters the day before the event when he was approached by Jimmerson.BJM was of course one of Royce's training partners,and Jimmerson wanted to know what to expect.Jimmerson was bragging about how great of a jab he had and demonstrated to BJM.BJM told him he had a great jab,but said when you're close enough to utilize the jab I am close enough to take you down.So Jimmerson became very curious and started working live scenarios with BJM.Once Jimmerson threw his jab BJM immediately clinched,took him down,mounted him,and in transition armbarred him.They repeated different scenarios several times,all ending with Jimmerson getting armbarred or choked.Afterwards,a dejected Jimmerson asked BJM,"He's going to break my arms and legs isn't he?"BJM responded by telling him all he has to do is tap if he is put in an uncomfortable situation.The following day at UFC 1 Jimmerson quickly tapped after Royce had only gotten mount with grapevines.BJM knew that it was his doing the previous evening that caused Jimmerson to tap so fast.
"I have always said that if you need steroids to compete you are not a fighter. Fighting is all about heart, technique and capitalizing upon your opponents mistakes. It is not about putting something into your body and walking around with big muscles saying look at me. In my book if you are on steroids you are a loser."
The first time Royce fought Ken Shamrock, Ken tapped to a sub and Royce let him go. The ref missed the whole thing and allowed the fight to continue. Ken did the right thing and told the ref he quit, but you could see he gave a fleeting thought to continuing. In every fight after that Royce locked on a sub and had to be pried off.
Yeah that is the fight I was talking about in my post although I couldnt remember exactly who he was fighting at the time. Did anyone even read what I posted.....lol
Yeah that is the fight I was talking about in my post although I couldnt remember exactly who he was fighting at the time. Did anyone even read what I posted.....lol
Yeah I know some of the fighters back then wouldn't last now. But now is different, everyone cross trains and the guys that make it make it a living out of UFC so can afford to put the time and dedication needed to turn them into machines they are.
But yeah it was cool watching UFC 1 & 2, well worth buying
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I remember reading an interesting story about that Jimmerson fight in a magazine.
So BJM was hanging out with the fighters the day before the event when he was approached by Jimmerson.BJM was of course one of Royce's training partners,and Jimmerson wanted to know what to expect.Jimmerson was bragging about how great of a jab he had and demonstrated to BJM.BJM told him he had a great jab,but said when you're close enough to utilize the jab I am close enough to take you down.So Jimmerson became very curious and started working live scenarios with BJM.Once Jimmerson threw his jab BJM immediately clinched,took him down,mounted him,and in transition armbarred him.They repeated different scenarios several times,all ending with Jimmerson getting armbarred or choked.Afterwards,a dejected Jimmerson asked BJM,"He's going to break my arms and legs isn't he?"BJM responded by telling him all he has to do is tap if he is put in an uncomfortable situation.The following day at UFC 1 Jimmerson quickly tapped after Royce had only gotten mount with grapevines.BJM knew that it was his doing the previous evening that caused Jimmerson to tap so fast.
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Grapevine refers to the position of your legs, the mountee, in relation to the legs of the person you have mounted. Your legs are snaked, or "grapvined", around your opponents legs from the outside, starting high up near his hips, with your feet hooked on his legs, pulling them outward. It's difficult to explain, but it allows you greater control over your opponent, making it more difficult for him to elbow escape or "upa" (bridge and roll) out from under the mount. It naturally forces your hips down low, which is where you want them to keep your center of gravity heavy and low. Here's a video demo'ing the grapevine position, with a toe hold added on.
"I have always said that if you need steroids to compete you are not a fighter. Fighting is all about heart, technique and capitalizing upon your opponents mistakes. It is not about putting something into your body and walking around with big muscles saying look at me. In my book if you are on steroids you are a loser."
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