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williamN · 10-17-2005, 04:50 PM

It is just more of the UFC "playing" the fans.

They set up fights for their popular TUF stars that they are most likely to win. Then they throw the Quarry vs Franklin fight in there to look like they aren't coddling the TUF boys. But this fight is really a no lose for Quarry. If he wins then the UFC can say that the TUF boys are great. If he loses, then he lost against the absolute top of his weight divison food chain so he will have an excuse.

I think Dana believes that Sanchez will beat Diaz by tying him on the ground for all 3 rounds and getting a decision or he wouldn't have put the fight together. If they can take Quarry all the way to the top they should have taken Sanchez at least to GSP. But GSP would have pretty much humiliated Sanchez and Dana wouldn't let that happen.

I probably hide it well but I am really hating what the UFC is doing with the TUF boys. If they would have just brought them in and treated them like any other new fighters all would have been well with me. But this business of shoving them down our throat as the greatest thing since pockets is ridiculous. If you don't believe they are OVER PROMOTING them, just listen to the commentary on the last Spike live event. Especially the Koscheck fight. Listening to Rogan ( I hate that guy) you would think Koscheck was the 2nd coming.

Pune · 10-17-2005, 07:28 PM

I do not think Quarry can win this fight, but hey lets not forget, it just takes one lucky shot and could be over in 1 minute...Not saying it will happen but anything is possible in the UFC, one slip up and it could be one of the biggest upsets ever.

Unknown · 10-17-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by williamN

It is just more of the UFC "playing" the fans.

They set up fights for their popular TUF stars that they are most likely to win. Then they throw the Quarry vs Franklin fight in there to look like they aren't coddling the TUF boys. But this fight is really a no lose for Quarry. If he wins then the UFC can say that the TUF boys are great. If he loses, then he lost against the absolute top of his weight divison food chain so he will have an excuse.

I think Dana believes that Sanchez will beat Diaz by tying him on the ground for all 3 rounds and getting a decision or he wouldn't have put the fight together. If they can take Quarry all the way to the top they should have taken Sanchez at least to GSP. But GSP would have pretty much humiliated Sanchez and Dana wouldn't let that happen.

I probably hide it well but I am really hating what the UFC is doing with the TUF boys. If they would have just brought them in and treated them like any other new fighters all would have been well with me. But this business of shoving them down our throat as the greatest thing since pockets is ridiculous. If you don't believe they are OVER PROMOTING them, just listen to the commentary on the last Spike live event. Especially the Koscheck fight. Listening to Rogan ( I hate that guy) you would think Koscheck was the 2nd coming.

First off, Koscheck is already world class. He is a world class wrestler and deserves all that Rogan said about him. The TUF guys aren’t the greatest in the world but they all were right on the line of getting into the UFC before TUF started. Second, I heard that the Match between Diego and Diaz was their idea and UFC just went with it. Third, as a comparison Nate Quarry has had 3 matches in the Octagon and now he has a title shot while Paul Buentello only had 2 in the octagon before he got his title shot. (This is based on memory only. I only remember seeing him twice). So the UFC isn’t stepping too far out of it normal operations to give Quarry a shot.

subgenius · 10-18-2005, 12:38 PM

Franklin has said a few times now that he had a few fights in the UFC before he had a title shot and won the title he now holds... He is 5-0-0 in the UFC since April of 2003. He fought Tanner twice, Ken Shamrock, Jorge Rivera, and Edwin Dewees... But, that is misleading. Since he started in the UFC, Frankiln has also fought five matches outside of the UFC. Two matches in 2003, three matches in 2004. He has now had two UFC matches this year (soon to be three in November). Franklin is 9-1-0 since 2003. Quarry does not have that kind of experience.

Thrash13 · 10-18-2005, 01:14 PM

Does Quarry deserve it? Sure. The guy has been impressive so far, and I honestly think he is one of the top 3 or 4 guys in the MW division. Loiseau is the #1 contender right now in my opinion, but he just fought Tanner. So that wouldn't make sense right now.

Nate Quarry is very popular with the fans, and he deserves the opportunity just as much as anyone else in the UFC.

I don't think he will beat Franklin, nor do I want him to beat Franklin. But it won't end in the 1st round. I think Quarry could take him to the 2nd or 3rd round, and I think the fight could be really good. I just think Franklin will outmatch him in the end and win by TKO.

The TUF guys aren't the best fighters in the world, but they have proved time and time again they belong in the UFC. The guys have past experience and worked just as hard as many others did to get where they are now. Some people say the UFC is coddling the TUF fighters, and that is true in some regards. But in my opinion, some people are also treating them like dirt and like they don't belong. It definitely goes both ways.

TUF show has really helped the UFC grow, and some of the fighters are future champions. Some people need to lay off those guys a little. I don't really care for some of the TUF fighters, but I like to see them win just to rub it in some FightForum members' faces.

Give Quarry respect for training and working hard to get where he is. Don't take away his glory of getting a title shot. We will all find out if he deserves it or not on Nov. 19th.

Unknown · 10-18-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Franklin has said a few times now that he had a few fights in the UFC before he had a title shot and won the title he now holds... He is 5-0-0 in the UFC since April of 2003. He fought Tanner twice, Ken Shamrock, Jorge Rivera, and Edwin Dewees... But, that is misleading. Since he started in the UFC, Frankiln has also fought five matches outside of the UFC. Two matches in 2003, three matches in 2004. He has now had two UFC matches this year (soon to be three in November). Franklin is 9-1-0 since 2003. Quarry does not have that kind of experience.

Don't get me wrong here I wasn't comparing Rich and Nate as to who would win. I was just saying that Nate getting a title shot isn't out of the ordinary or a special thing for a TUF guy.

subgenius · 10-18-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

Don't get me wrong here I wasn't comparing Rich and Nate as to who would win. I was just saying that Nate getting a title shot isn't out of the ordinary or a special thing for a TUF guy.

To be fair, Nathan Quarry has fought three fights this year, in April, June, and August... And, soon in November. That will be four fights in 2005 with a potential record of 4-0-0 or, if he loses to Franklin, a win-loss record of 3-1-0 for 2005. He was 5-1-0 before his UFC debut, with one KOTC match and one IFC match. He did not fight at all in 2004, but fought three times in 2003 for 2-1-0 where he lost his KOTC match, but won his IFC match.

With that in mind, lets look at the UFC fighters he defeated, such as Lodune Sincaid, Shonie Carter, and Pete Sell... Sincaid was 5-0-0 when Quarry beat him... Carter was 31-10-6... and, Sell was 6-0-0 (with a win over Phil Baroni). The win over Shonie Carter was impressive in that Carter is even more experienced than Franklin at 18-1-0. Beating two previously unbeat fighters also looks impressive for Quarry. I am guessing that these are what the UFC hopes have given Quarry the right to a title shot.

fightfankev · 10-18-2005, 05:45 PM

Let's look at this from another slant. Of the recent UFC fights does this one look to be a more probable fight for an upset? Let's say of all fights from UFC 50 to the last one. Does the match up provide for more possibility of an up set than any of those fights?

The upset being Quarry beating Franklin of course.

angryjonny · 10-18-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fightfankev

Let's look at this from another slant. Of the recent UFC fights does this one look to be a more probable fight for an upset? Let's say of all fights from UFC 50 to the last one. Does the match up provide for more possibility of an up set than any of those fights?

The upset being Quarry beating Franklin of course.

Good point. You are absolutely correct. The "upset" factor would be huge. If Nate beat "convincingly" beat Rich it would probably be one of the biggest upsets ever IMO. No one is expecting him to win. Some may be rooting for him but anyone who is knowledgeable of the two can realize that Nate is outmatched. But I am not saying it is not possible for Nate to pull off an upset win. I just cannot see what Nate possesses that Rich can't handle. Maybe if he caught him on the chin the way "Lyoto" did then he could take him out but there is no doubt in my mind that Machida is far better than Nate is, so that may be a hard pill to swallow.