Official: Rashad vs Chuck at UFC 85

Ryduce · 03-06-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

So many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start.

You mention Chuck being old. With all that is happening age is nothing but a number. Look at Randy, Mark, and Chuck. All three still strong. Chuck is only 38.

You say that his chin was the only thing keeping him in fights with Overeem and Mezger. In the Overeem fight Overeems size advantage was a huge factor and threw Chuck off. The fact that he stayed strong and won is amazing.
The Mezger fight is a lot like the Wandy/Mezger fight. Mezger can strike with about anyone. He has a week jaw, but is super quick. All that fight showed was Liddell has a heart as big as his right hand.

Who knew Wanderlei Silva was old? I guess I thought 31 was about the prime of most fighters. After all the great Anderson Silva is age 32.

Of course I expect a Chuck fan to come to his defense.

Randy and Mark Coleman are anomalies,not the norm,and Coleman is hardly competitive at the top level anymore.Other than a fluke injury,he hasn't beaten anyone of note in years.Wandy agewise isn't very old,but fightwise he has been fighting since the mid-nineties,including the old school Vale Tudos.It's starting to take it's toll.

The Overeem and Mezger fights are a matter of opinion.You say heart,I say chin.Either way he was thoroughly outstruck by both.Mezger dropped him.Pele dropped him.Jardine dropped him.Vernon White and Tito even landed multiple shots.Chuck's sloppy defense is gonna cost him.Rashad won't stand there like a bobblehead like Wandy did.Chuck will get hit,he always does.

But the question is,can he eat shots long enough until he lands a bomb.I don't think so anymore.

opsy · 03-07-2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

Of course I expect a Chuck fan to come to his defense.

Randy and Mark Coleman are anomalies,not the norm,and Coleman is hardly competitive at the top level anymore.Other than a fluke injury,he hasn't beaten anyone of note in years.Wandy agewise isn't very old,but fightwise he has been fighting since the mid-nineties,including the old school Vale Tudos.It's starting to take it's toll.

The Overeem and Mezger fights are a matter of opinion.You say heart,I say chin.Either way he was thoroughly outstruck by both.Mezger dropped him.Pele dropped him.Jardine dropped him.Vernon White and Tito even landed multiple shots.Chuck's sloppy defense is gonna cost him.Rashad won't stand there like a bobblehead like Wandy did.Chuck will get hit,he always does.

But the question is,can he eat shots long enough until he lands a bomb.I don't think so anymore.

ehhh I don't know. What does your Dad think?

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 03-07-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

Of course I expect a Chuck fan to come to his defense.

Randy and Mark Coleman are anomalies,not the norm,and Coleman is hardly competitive at the top level anymore.Other than a fluke injury,he hasn't beaten anyone of note in years.Wandy agewise isn't very old,but fightwise he has been fighting since the mid-nineties,including the old school Vale Tudos.It's starting to take it's toll.

The Overeem and Mezger fights are a matter of opinion.You say heart,I say chin.Either way he was thoroughly outstruck by both.Mezger dropped him.Pele dropped him.Jardine dropped him.Vernon White and Tito even landed multiple shots.Chuck's sloppy defense is gonna cost him.Rashad won't stand there like a bobblehead like Wandy did.Chuck will get hit,he always does.

But the question is,can he eat shots long enough until he lands a bomb.I don't think so anymore.

You want to talk about chins. How bout old Nog for you haha. Anyways He didn't get hit much in Couture number 2 and 3. Or any Tito fight. Rashad is about on their level of striking. Is Rashad on Mezgers level, rampages, or even Jardines? NO

Ryduce · 03-07-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by opsy

ehhh I don't know. What does your Dad think?

lol I don't know.

I'll be sure to ask him come fight time.

He called the Jardine fight.I just don't get it.

Ryduce · 03-07-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

You want to talk about chins. How bout old Nog for you haha. Anyways He didn't get hit much in Couture number 2 and 3. Or any Tito fight. Rashad is about on their level of striking. Is Rashad on Mezgers level, rampages, or even Jardines? NO

You make a good point,but I would say his striking is comparable to Jardine and Rampage's.

He trains with Jardine and has beaten him in the past.

Rampage is traditional boxing stylist,much like Rashad.Rashad is also extremely quick,has much better head movement than the aforementioned strikers,and is capable of the takedown.His takedowns are much sharper than Tito's.Which unlike Wandy and Jardine adds another dimension to the fight.

Pitbull · 03-07-2008, 12:32 AM

Rashad's striking is no where near the level of Chuck's.

In wrestling, Rashad had to resort to grabbing the shorts of Bisping to secure the takedown. And we all know Chuck has better takedown defense than Bisping does.

Chuck wins this through better striking and takedown defense.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 03-07-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

You make a good point,but I would say his striking is comparable to Jardine and Rampage's.

He trains with Jardine and has beaten him in the past.

Rampage is traditional boxing stylist,much like Rashad.Rashad is also extremely quick,has much better head movement than the aforementioned strikers,and is capable of the takedown.His takedowns are much sharper than Tito's.Which unlike Wandy and Jardine adds another dimension to the fight.

If Couture couldn't take him down Rashad can't. Also how are his take downs much better than Titos when they were about even on wrestling in that fight. Another thing Rashads head movement to me is just him asking to be high kicked. He just gets in there and tries to pop lock.
Rampage is on a whole other level than Rashad. Please don't mention those two names in the same sentence.

Bomber · 03-07-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

Rampage is on a whole other level than Rashad. Please don't mention those two names in the same sentence.

What about if Rashad beats your hero? Can we mention Evans in the same sentence as Rampage then?

Chuck's lost two of his last three fights and was unimpressive vs tito. He's no longer bulletproof.

Hemdoz · 03-07-2008, 12:42 AM

Man really i just can't see Rashad beating Chuck.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 03-07-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

What about if Rashad beats your hero? Can we mention Evans in the same sentence as Rampage then?

No you can't. You can't have one freak accident win over top ten competition and be considered a great. Then you would have to consider Randleman a better striker than Cro Cop, Ryo Chonan would be on the same level as Silva. It doesn't work that way lol. Anyway Pitbull got it straight on. Chuck can out strike Evans, and his sprawl is legendary.

Ryduce · 03-07-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

If Couture couldn't take him down Rashad can't. Also how are his take downs much better than Titos when they were about even on wrestling in that fight. Another thing Rashads head movement to me is just him asking to be high kicked. He just gets in there and tries to pop lock.
Rampage is on a whole other level than Rashad. Please don't mention those two names in the same sentence.

lol I love it.There's always controversy when I post in a Chuck thread.

I agree his wrestling isn't as good as Randy's,but Randy did take Chuck down in two fights.Keeping him there is the problem.

Tito's shots are sloppy and predictable.With a huge weight advantage he only neutralized Rashad.I seem to remember Rashad ending the fight in side control with Tito having a busted face.

Is Rampage really on another level?I remember before the Chuck fight everyone was talking about how washed up he was.Barely scraping wins against Dong Sik Yoon and Lindland.He didn't look particularly well against Eastman.Really a whole nother level?Talk about a hyperbole.

Hemdoz · 03-07-2008, 12:51 AM

I remember the Rampage Fight with Chuck (2nd fight) i picked Rampage by KO and when i saw Chuck get KTFO the Whole party was screaming and Tickle and a couple others where so quiet for the rest of the party.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 03-07-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

lol I love it.There's always controversy when I post in a Chuck thread.

I agree his wrestling isn't as good as Randy's,but Randy did take Chuck down in two fights.Keeping him there is the problem.

Tito's shots are sloppy and predictable.With a huge weight advantage he only neutralized Rashad.I seem to remember Rashad ending the fight in side control with Tito having a busted face.

Is Rampage really on another level?I remember before the Chuck fight everyone was talking about how washed up he was.Barely scraping wins against Dong Sik Yoon and Lindland.He didn't look particularly well against Eastman.Really a whole nother level?Talk about a hyperbole.

I remember Titos face getting a thumbnail in it. Rampage has beat

Lindland, Chuck, Hendo, Eastman, Ninja, Igor, and Randleman.

Who has Rashad BEAT>>>???<<<

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 03-07-2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hemdoz

I remember the Rampage Fight with Chuck (2nd fight) i picked Rampage by KO and when i saw Chuck get KTFO the Whole party was screaming and Tickle and a couple others where so quiet for the rest of the party.

Oh I remember UFC 79 quite well to Hemdouche

NWCrazy · 03-07-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

You make a good point,but I would say his striking is comparable to Jardine and Rampage's.

He trains with Jardine and has beaten him in the past.

Rampage is traditional boxing stylist,much like Rashad.Rashad is also extremely quick,has much better head movement than the aforementioned strikers,and is capable of the takedown.His takedowns are much sharper than Tito's.Which unlike Wandy and Jardine adds another dimension to the fight.

You are spot on.

I think that people who are saying Chuck beat Tito, Tito drew Rashad, so Chuck should beat Rashad...are applying the transitive property of mathematics, where A>B and B>C, so by logic, A>C.

Well mathematics and MMA fighting are two different things. Rashad is very strong and will takedown Chuck when they are against the cage. Then he's gonna pound out a win.

One can have a slow boring fight (ie Rashad/Bisping) one minute and an exciting fight the next. That's why I don't support the "well Rashad's last two wins were unimpressive, so he's gonna lose to Chuck" crowd.

People seem to forget how tough Rashad can be when he is faced with a Jardine or an oversized Brad Imes. And I have to believe that he is even better now. As for Liddell, he peaked over a year ago.

LinvilleGorge · 03-07-2008, 02:07 AM

Chuck by KO/TKO whenever he feels like ending it.

Pitbull · 03-07-2008, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NWCrazy

You are spot on.

I think that people who are saying Chuck beat Tito, Tito drew Rashad, so Chuck should beat Rashad...are applying the transitive property of mathematics, where A>B and B>C, so by logic, A>C.

Well mathematics and MMA fighting are two different things. Rashad is very strong and will takedown Chuck when they are against the cage. Then he's gonna pound out a win.

One can have a slow boring fight (ie Rashad/Bisping) one minute and an exciting fight the next. That's why I don't support the "well Rashad's last two wins were unimpressive, so he's gonna lose to Chuck" crowd.

People seem to forget how tough Rashad can be when he is faced with a Jardine or an oversized Brad Imes. And I have to believe that he is even better now. As for Liddell, he peaked over a year ago.

Let's bet, man.

You got Evans, I got Liddell.

What do you wanna do points, avatar, sig, loser shaves his head...What?

opsy · 03-07-2008, 02:36 AM

So basically the pro-Rashad crowd rates in terms of striking
1. Bisping
2. Rashad
3. Chuck

F_B · 03-07-2008, 03:00 AM

Chuck by murder.

theultimatewarrior · 03-07-2008, 03:09 AM

Will be the dullest main event in 2008.

Wouldn't be surprised if Rashad wins by simply putting Chuck to sleep by just dancing around the ring.