Official: Rashad vs Chuck at UFC 85

Jasp · 03-07-2008, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

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Is Rampage really on another level?I remember before the Chuck fight everyone was talking about how washed up he was.Barely scraping wins against Dong Sik Yoon and Lindland.He didn't look particularly well against Eastman.Really a whole nother level?Talk about a hyperbole.

I dont have much to add to this disscussion, i just love this one. Thee is really no fans, like fightfans when it comes to seeing things in black and white. You can be a washed up has been and after 2 wins you are on a whole nother level from the rest of the competition... Priceless

After that being said, i think that Chuck will beat Rashad and i think Rampage is clearly the better fighter out of Rashad and him... maybe just not on a whole nother level

Bomber · 03-07-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasp

You can be a washed up has been and after 2 wins you are on a whole nother level from the rest of the competition... Priceless

Would you happen to be referring to a certain fighter who lost to Wandy and Shogun, was dropped from Pride and ended up in a second-tier organization for a couple of years? Well, he beat Chuck so he's unbeatable now.

TICL specializes in hyperbole. He can never say something is big, it has to be HUGE!

OneBigThrow · 03-07-2008, 11:43 AM

sometimes i wish there were more unbiased, well thought out fight analysis then posters trying to straddle the line of fighter bashing/blatant disrespect

the good posts from each side are few and far between, sometimes i get tired of reading it...somebody states why they think one fighter will win and the best retort people can come up with is "O WELL WHY DONT YOU BET ME ALL YOUR POINTS"

come on, man

riversideblues · 03-07-2008, 11:58 AM

This doesn't even come close to the shogun fight :\

stillstanding · 03-07-2008, 01:02 PM

Ryduce, you want a side bet too.

If you remember I was the one who fighting the bandwagon for a long time.

Chris0 · 03-07-2008, 02:16 PM

I am shocked they have given Rashad a shot!!!

WOW all I can say is be careful what you wish for!

Points and £££ going on Chuck, bet the odds suck!!!

lol

theEmpiric · 03-07-2008, 03:28 PM

I dont see Rashad winning this match. If he does win somehow, I defiantely dont see him finishing Chuck. LnP for the win.

Flying Triangle Choke · 03-07-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OneBigThrow

sometimes i wish there were more unbiased, well thought out fight analysis then posters trying to straddle the line of fighter bashing/blatant disrespect

the good posts from each side are few and far between, sometimes i get tired of reading it...somebody states why they think one fighter will win and the best retort people can come up with is "O WELL WHY DONT YOU BET ME ALL YOUR POINTS"

come on, man

Ironically, this coming from someone who complains almost every other post.

LinvilleGorge · 03-07-2008, 04:44 PM

I just don't see where the debate is. This is about as much of a sure thing for a Liddell victory as there is. This is the type of fighter that Chuck has essentially patented the method to beat. Evans is a developing MMA fighter, but he's still a wrestler learning to be a fighter. His standup has come along leaps and bounds, but he's still nowhere near being ready to stand with Chuck and he isn't going to be able to get him down and keep him down. Now, it's a fight and anything can happen, but I really think Rashad is going to have to land something big and unexpected to have a chance. I think this is going to be a good experience and a good reality check for Rashad. He's a good fighter and should have a bright future in front of him, but he's running up against the very type of fighter that he simply can't beat right now without a healthy dose of luck.

mackem_111 · 03-07-2008, 05:26 PM

i hope chuck puts him to sleep,cos rashad almost put me to sleep in his "win" over bisping

OneBigThrow · 03-07-2008, 06:12 PM

^^^yea maybe so, but my complaints are based on what?

i think you are missing the point...

since i have to spell it out, i wish there were more intelligent arguments and less "this guy is boring" or "this guy is washed up"

we dont need to disrespect these athletes body of work.

Bulldawg · 03-07-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LinvilleGorge

I just don't see where the debate is. This is about as much of a sure thing for a Liddell victory as there is. This is the type of fighter that Chuck has essentially patented the method to beat. Evans is a developing MMA fighter, but he's still a wrestler learning to be a fighter. His standup has come along leaps and bounds, but he's still nowhere near being ready to stand with Chuck and he isn't going to be able to get him down and keep him down. Now, it's a fight and anything can happen, but I really think Rashad is going to have to land something big and unexpected to have a chance. I think this is going to be a good experience and a good reality check for Rashad. He's a good fighter and should have a bright future in front of him, but he's running up against the very type of fighter that he simply can't beat right now without a healthy dose of luck.

Very well said...the absolute ONLY way Rashad even has a chance in hell, is if Chuck takes him lightly and doesn't train as hard as he should. I think Chuck comes in ready to roll and destroys Evans.

Having seen Evans's fights from TUF to present, I am still confused as to why anyone would think Evans can hang with Liddell. The only KO he has had(and by the way, he was losing before this happened) was against "the karate kid, crane kicking, missed by 3 feet", Sean Salmon. SEAN SALMON PEOPLE!!! All that LnP crap and dancing around the octagon ain't going to work with Chuck. And mark this down right now...RASHAD EVANS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE CHUCK DOWN...therefore, he is forced to stand and catch an absolute beatdown by the Iceman. Evans will run...but there is nowhere to hide once that door closes. Chuck wins and Evans' over ratedness is exposed.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 03-07-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

Would you happen to be referring to a certain fighter who lost to Wandy and Shogun, was dropped from Pride and ended up in a second-tier organization for a couple of years? Well, he beat Chuck so he's unbeatable now.

TICL specializes in hyperbole. He can never say something is big, it has to be HUGE!

And someone can lose to Matt Hughes and GSP and still be amazing.

Rampage beat Liddell and Henderson. Two of the toughest people in MMA.

Also I don't think that Rampage is unbeatable at all. I think Wandy would still beat him. Same thing with Shogun. Get your stuff right before you put words in my mouth.

OneBigThrow · 03-07-2008, 08:43 PM

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The only KO he has had(and by the way, he was losing before this happened) was against "the karate kid, crane kicking, missed by 3 feet", Sean Salmon. SEAN SALMON PEOPLE!!!

Jason Lambert?

im just sayin, unless TKOs dont count

I cant see rashad beating chuck, for the record, not because he is a bad fighter but because chuck has an answer for the type of approach rashad historically takes to fights

however, rashad does offer the kind of movement on the feet to frustrate chuck so who knows.

The biggest factor IMO that swings my decision towards chuck is that rashad is a great wrestler, but IS NOT a practitioner of explosive takedowns. the takedowns rashad uses are a series of set ups and usually against the fence which would give chuck too much time to set up his defense/plan of escape from bottom/damage rashad with strikes

Rashad is from the same camp as jardine, but completely different type of stylist, rashad is not going to be able to develop the kickboxing expertise that Jardine possesses in time for this fight and rashad isnt goign to have much of a method to keep chuck away from him like jardine, who used the straigh kicks to neutralize chucks reach (plus jardine's reach is greater than rashads anyway)

Also, im not sure rashad is gonna be able to have the conditioning to BOX for three rounds like we know chuck can...if this fight is gonna be on the feet the whole time, will rashad be able to keep his hands up? The fight with brad imes on the feet wont be even half the pace chuck will dictate

AikaImmortal · 03-07-2008, 10:55 PM

Fightlinker in all of their sarcasm put it best.

Fightlinker » Blog Archive » Rashad Evans ruins another main event

Sorry for the silence today, guys. I heard the news that Rashad Evans was tapped to replace Shogun against Liddell and I sunk into a deep depression from which there was barely any escape. It took Jake entering into my mind ala ‘The Cell’ to unravel the madness and bring me out of my funk.

And while the above story may or may not be true, the simple fact is this was some seriously ****ty news to get this morning. I’d rather find rat **** in my coffee or a cockroach in my cereal. At least then I’d feel better about it after I brushed my teeth. But no. It had to be Rashad Evans fighting Chuck Liddell. That’s the kind of suck no amount of brushing or scrubbing can wash away.

LinvilleGorge · 03-07-2008, 11:01 PM

Yeah, it certainly doesn't have near the appeal of Chuck/Shogun, but it'll still be pretty entertaining watching Rashad catch a beatdown.

Bomber · 03-08-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

I don't think that Rampage is unbeatable at all. I think Wandy would still beat him. Same thing with Shogun. Get your stuff right before you put words in my mouth.

So I guess we can't mention Rashad's name in the same sentence as Shogun or Wandy either. Too bad, because I think he matches up extremely well with either.

LinvilleGorge · 03-08-2008, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

So I guess we can't mention Rashad's name in the same sentence as Shogun or Wandy either. Too bad, because I think he matches up extremely well with either.

Seriously?! If that's what you think, so be it, but I see Rashad vs. Wandy or Rashad vs. Shogun both ending with Sugar lying on the canvas unconsious. It'd look a lot like this...

Bomber · 03-08-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LinvilleGorge

Seriously?! If that's what you think, so be it, but I see Rashad vs. Wandy or Rashad vs. Shogun both ending with Sugar lying on the canvas unconsious. It'd look a lot like this...

Most people said that about Griffin. The fact is all of the top 10 guys at LHW are dangerous. The big skill gap is gone, everyone's big and strong and in shape, and these fights are not obvious at all.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 03-08-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

So I guess we can't mention Rashad's name in the same sentence as Shogun or Wandy either. Too bad, because I think he matches up extremely well with either.

I see Rashad vs Shogun going the same as Shogun vs Randleman