OneBigThrow

i thought it was pretty obvious in the gif that thats what happened...it wasnt a decisive stoppage the first time

to be fair to steve, everyone complains about early stoppages and what not. Steve was definitely looking into doerksons eyes and perhaps he saw life in his eyes like he could still defend himself or regroup if he wanted to, it was then with the 2 unanswered HAMMAH FISTS that steve realized that the fight shouldnt go on any longer

perhaps a mistake in interpretation of the eyes, or a a very quick change in joes condition...either way steve shouldnt be crucified for this he did the best he could

in fact the only thing his hesitancy could have done was unnecessarily halt the action, not make a fighter hit harder and with more furiosity, knowwhatimsayn?

it aint like that jorge alonso guy that reffed the drew mcfedries/russian dude guy...he was a few yards away once mcfedries knocked the guy down and then was casually walkng towards the action as drew pounded the guy stiff 3 times so hard it slid his body across the mat..now THAT was poor officiating

dsver1

Yeah, this looks like Maz's fault. IMO, refs should physically separate the fighters at the bell and when they're stopping a fight.
Another pet peeve of mine is when the ref doesn't attend to a fighter who is unconscious. I don't know what they're expected to do (remove mouthguard, etc.), but they should at least be over the fighter until the doctors arrive.

Also, refs have to commit. Even if they second-guess themselves right before the stoppage, you have to commit to the stoppage. Otherwise, if one of the fighters listens to the fake stoppage and the other doesn't, you'll have a dangerous situation. I'd rather a ref made a bad call instead of faking someone out and leaving them defenseless.

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OneBigThrow

well they have to commmunicate the result to whoever they have to report it to, the doctors need to be in there faster they are the ones with the medical license

ill never forget when james irvin was writhin in the cage after the illegal knee from luis cane, no one showed up forever and i dont think thats the refs job


the ref probably had to explain to other officials exactly what happened and doctors should have been in there ASAP...james was just layin there writhin by himself


i think youre right, though the ref appears to always take out the mouth piece and lift the head etc...to i guess be able to maintain breathing of the fighter..but i mean who knows maybe they go above and beyond most of the time

damn i type alot

dsver1

yeah, I don't think that it's the refs responsibility to stabilize an injured opponent (unless they're trained paramedics), but I think that being near the fighter and assessing the situation should be a higher priority than communicating the result. If a fighter is lying on the ground and weakly saying "I can't breathe", then the ref should be there to scream that to the doctors. I see this as an extension of their authority inside the fighting area -- they're in charge of overseeing everything that happens.

Also, the MMA orgs should prepare the refs and explicitly state what the refs are expected to do. There shouldn't be any grey areas.

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matt44

There's NO WAY he didn't know the fight was over!

He should be banned for that.

I REALLY hope someone does it to him. Yeah yeah, two wrongs...blah blah blah lol

OneBigThrow

man, its hard to take anyone with a post count under 100 seriously...there have been so many of these types of guys that just come on here to inflame, i apologze if thats not your case but seriously

no way he couldnt have known the fight was over? seriously? hes focused on joe and steve...its debatable if he actually even touched jmac or not.

matt44

I'm not here to inflame! And wasn't there a point where YOU (being the fountain of all knowledge) had under 100 posts?

I think there's no way he couldn't have known! The ref came in, he stopped and got up - the ref carried on coming in and he punched him twice more!

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ooooo tough one for me, does look a little like the ref changed his mind and wanted the fight to continue so Jason probably thought he had to start punchin again.

then again Joe was clearly done and the ref had jumped to stop it, so shouldve been enough for him to know to stop.

tough one guys

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OneBigThrow

the more i look at the gif the more i am convinced that there was no cheap shot he looks at steve kind of starts to stand up, and since steve doesnt really do anything else he figures the fight isnt over so he hits him again cuz steve didnt stop the fight

imagine being in the heat of the moment about to defeat a fighter like joe doerksen id make damn sure i dotted my I's on the finish

Harms

What Steve does after the last two shots signals to the fighter that the fight is over. Before the two shots, Steve just gets really close to see how much Joe had left. Every ref I've seen grabs the winner and lets them know. Steve made zero contact with Macdonald, so I see zero problem. Fight wasn't over.

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it did look like steve stopped the fight, but then he pulled back and bit and kept looking as though hed changed his mind. so i can understand why macdonald continued

StratTone

Yeah the sherdog interview clears it all up.

Notbuddyrich

absolutely mazzaghati's fault.

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That's my take on it. I really dont care for Mcdonnald but I dont see him doing anything wrong here. If he was still punching while the ref was pulling/pushing him off then it would be a different story.

GSPALLTHEWAY

between this and the lesner\mir fight i am starting to doubt steve as a ref... he takes a point from brock for basically no reason at all with 0 warning.. like herb, he tends to stand real close and isnt always decisive during a stoppage... give me some new blood

FightFan23

On the interview with jason he even says he met steve on the bus and steve apologized for putting him in that situation of possibly looking bad. He knew he should have stopped it but was just making sure I guess.

GeorgeXVX

the bus? damn the UFC really aint paying S H I T!

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