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04-30-2008, 11:17 PM
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Yeah, I just read it before coming here. I found the boxer pay interesting. However, you can't lump in sponsor money when considering UFC pay. I understand that the UFC exposure creates the atmosphere that helps these fighters get those sponsorships, but that money isn't coming out of the UFC's wallet.
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04-30-2008, 11:31 PM
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Quebecois sti !! 
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Anyone have the paid for the last events?
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04-30-2008, 11:42 PM
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Just read that article. It was really interesting. I was wondering what the lower level boxers were making on these cards. After reading that article he sure made a heck of an argument that the UFC is better for the lower level/up and coming guys then boxing is.
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05-01-2008, 07:19 AM
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Anyone have the paid for the last events?
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Quebec doesn't release them.
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05-01-2008, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jolucas
Just read that article. It was really interesting. I was wondering what the lower level boxers were making on these cards. After reading that article he sure made a heck of an argument that the UFC is better for the lower level/up and coming guys then boxing is.
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I received the boxing payouts from the NSAC for the whole DeLaHoya-Mayweather card for an article I was writing. One of the fighters on that card received $500 for his fight. On a card that Mayweather took home $25 million and DLH around $40mil before PPV cut! So some of these boxers really get screwed.
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05-01-2008, 08:20 AM
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I think the pay it great for UFC fighters. The big timers are millionaires and the up and comers are paid great!!!
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05-01-2008, 08:36 AM
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Nice info, had no idea the logos generated that much money for the fighters.
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05-01-2008, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by LinvilleGorge
Yeah, I just read it before coming here. I found the boxer pay interesting. However, you can't lump in sponsor money when considering UFC pay. I understand that the UFC exposure creates the atmosphere that helps these fighters get those sponsorships, but that money isn't coming out of the UFC's wallet.
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But it is there none the less. Job's that are listed on any site talk about things like mass transit that they don't really control but add to the value of the 'job'. Companies also know that working for them is something that once gets on a resume it adds value to the worker and they tend to pay less because of it, like it is a privlage to work for them. It is there, the fighters know it, the UFC knows it and sure as hell the sponsors know it. Without the UFC brand and exposure those guys wouldn't have it, so if you don't want to directly corrilate it to the UFC at least agree it was them busting their ass to make that environment in the first place.
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05-01-2008, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jyd94
But it is there none the less. Job's that are listed on any site talk about things like mass transit that they don't really control but add to the value of the 'job'. Companies also know that working for them is something that once gets on a resume it adds value to the worker and they tend to pay less because of it, like it is a privlage to work for them. It is there, the fighters know it, the UFC knows it and sure as hell the sponsors know it. Without the UFC brand and exposure those guys wouldn't have it, so if you don't want to directly corrilate it to the UFC at least agree it was them busting their ass to make that environment in the first place.
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Read my post again. I said just this.
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05-01-2008, 02:36 PM
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Quebecois sti !! 
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Oh thx. It's because everytime after. Someone do a threat about it. So I was waiting lol.
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05-01-2008, 09:08 PM
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Dang 75 k a month from Xyience. that'd be a great living without any other pay.
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05-02-2008, 09:55 AM
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Read my post again. I said just this.
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You said it but after saying you can't lump in sponsor money, which I am arguing you have to when concidering what people were paid.
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05-02-2008, 02:30 PM
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I really think the boxing pay vs. ufc pay is like apples and oranges argument. Boxing is how popular and their PPV's bring in how much? Let's break it down more intelligently. Take the UFC overall revenue on the PPV, then take the boxing overall revenue on the PPV. Then start number crunching, look at the percentages. Are the UFC guys getting a better overall percentage of the revenues. They are the stars of the show. Last time I checked, boxing sucked. So......I would suggest that the writer of the article get a bit more involved in his reporting and get some actual number instead of pulling rubbish out of the sky. Yeah, there are sponsors, but for which UFC fighters? Having said all this....think about it. Boxers are hitting each other with pillows. UFC? Yeah, you get the picture. These guys deserve about quadruple what a boxer makes. Period.
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05-02-2008, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ge master
I really think the boxing pay vs. ufc pay is like apples and oranges argument. Boxing is how popular and their PPV's bring in how much? Let's break it down more intelligently. Take the UFC overall revenue on the PPV, then take the boxing overall revenue on the PPV. Then start number crunching, look at the percentages. Are the UFC guys getting a better overall percentage of the revenues. They are the stars of the show. Last time I checked, boxing sucked. So......I would suggest that the writer of the article get a bit more involved in his reporting and get some actual number instead of pulling rubbish out of the sky. Yeah, there are sponsors, but for which UFC fighters? Having said all this....think about it. Boxers are hitting each other with pillows. UFC? Yeah, you get the picture. These guys deserve about quadruple what a boxer makes. Period.
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Boxing and MMA is not apples and orange. Boxers are not hitting each other with pillows, there getting repeated concussions and getting back up for more.
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05-02-2008, 03:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ge master
I really think the boxing pay vs. ufc pay is like apples and oranges argument. Boxing is how popular and their PPV's bring in how much? Let's break it down more intelligently. Take the UFC overall revenue on the PPV, then take the boxing overall revenue on the PPV. Then start number crunching, look at the percentages. Are the UFC guys getting a better overall percentage of the revenues. They are the stars of the show. Last time I checked, boxing sucked.
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What??
Are you stating that boxers make more or less of a percentage of ppv revenue than UFC fighters?
Does this even matter?
What does your personal opinion of boxing have to do with their pay?
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Originally Posted by ge master
I would suggest that the writer of the article get a bit more involved in his reporting and get some actual number instead of pulling rubbish out of the sky. Yeah, there are sponsors, but for which UFC fighters? Having said all this....think about it. Boxers are hitting each other with pillows. UFC? Yeah, you get the picture. These guys deserve about quadruple what a boxer makes. Period.
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Okay I thought about it......What again??
There are sponsors in both sports, probably not for every fighter, so that equals itself out.
Is it Zuffa's fault that boxers use 12oz gloves and MMA uses 4oz?
From what I've read and heard, a boxer will end up taking more punishment to their body in the long run because of the larger gloves.
If your argument is based on likelihood of injury, then a boxer should be paid more.
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05-02-2008, 04:47 PM
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Sec here doods. It's nobody's fault about the gloves. They are different sports. I can't believe you guys want to compare the damage of the two sports. It's bizarre to me. Let's look at the injury reports after fights? Jesus is this worth typing? Boxers face more injuries, my god.
Of course the % of the cut is important! That's what it's all about. If the company is poor and making sh!tty profits, then what do you expect? A lesser amount of pay to the workers. The more pay the better the profits. It usually works that way when your only source of income is the fighters. They are the draw. The players on a football team are the draw, not the cheerleaders on the sidelines. Just because boxers make X and ufc fighters make y doesn't equate. If the company is raking in millions then the fighters pay should go up accordingly. That issue is why you have unions in sports like......every other one? The unions step in and say, hold on a sec, you're raking in this much off of us? We want and deserve more. That's the way society works. Boxers vs. MMA is apples vs. oranges whether you can understand the logic or not.
It's bizarre to me that anyone watching MMA can say that they don't deserve top dollar for what they do. It's nuts to say otherwise. No disrespect to boxing but the reality they face is much different than taking knees to the head. It's not their fault!
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05-02-2008, 05:37 PM
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I think before any arguement people should really learn what boxers get paid and have to pay, who earns what etc. Promoters, athletic commisions, corners, management, sanctioning bodies, previous management, trainers, not to mention what contracts guys sign. Sponsors are more involved in the UFC than boxing due to lots of reasons including more fights on a card, more marketing for undercard guys etc. In principle I think these guys should all get paid more but boxers have been getting the royal screwjob (other than 5-10 big names in each generation) for over a 100 years in this country and abroad.
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05-02-2008, 06:20 PM
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I suspected as much. I mean there is no doubt that the bottom of the barrel fighters in The UFC, make the 4 grand, but it seems like none of them ever complain.
The ones complaining are the middle tier fighters it seems who probably think they're better than they are. Kalib Starnes for one. I'd venture a good guess he was at least in the 10g - 30 g range per fight plus nice bonuses.
But in Kalib's mind, he's worth probably the Frank Mir money.
IMO it's some of the fighters lack of realism with regards to pay. The Kalibs think they're as good or close as the GSP's, when theyr'e not. But think they should be paid as s uch.
I feel the UFC model is fair. Fight well and fight hard and excite the crowd, and we'll take care of you. If you don't?
You'll go home.
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05-02-2008, 10:58 PM
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Quebecois sti !! 
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Example about boxe here in quebec. We have Lucian Bute who is the champ and a lot of other good boxer.
And everytime they have a fight. They show it on tv. No ppv . So totally free
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