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BigSlick · 06-03-2008, 03:43 AM

Depending on if we get to see the Heath that fought Big Nog or the one who fought Kongo is the question in my mind.

If it is the former Lesnar will early in the 1st by TKO, but if heath can take the first onslaught, who knows he might break Lessnars spirit and give him a match.

Jasp · 06-03-2008, 11:19 AM

Im a little surprised noone has questioned Lesnars condition. I have no inside information but he pretty much have to get tired fast with that huge body. I think Heath has a good chance of pulling out a victory if he can survive the first round. I think we would se a very tired Lesnar after the first round and then its a completly different match.

For the sake of the HWD i hope that Lesnar pulls of a victory. We pretty much know where we have Heath and he is no top HW. Lesnar could with a win here develop into something great and be a little injection in the division.

Prediction: Lesnar by TKO in the first round.

jmag · 06-03-2008, 01:17 PM

Heath by experience and perseverance with momentum coming off the Kongo win.

StratTone · 06-03-2008, 03:11 PM

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Personally, I think Herring will get taken down and pounded out. As, he does not possess the ground defense that Frank Mir does. His only hope is to stuff the takedown; which he may be able to do. Herring did TKO a prime Mark Kerr...so who knows. What's everyone's thoughts?

My thoughts are that Herring is going down on this one. Lesnar has way to much power. The only thing I don't know about this one is what the odds will be against Herring here on the FF.

T-Bone · 06-03-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewplata

I am a fan of a new fighter named "Anyone fighting Brock Lesnar". I love how Dana criticizes Kimbo left and right, but embraces a former WWE actor and heavy steroid user, who happens to be a bigot. I know how accomplished of an amateur wrestler he was, but to me, that is far in the past. I will be rooting for him to fall on his face, showing himself to be a sideshow who can't stop a submission. Let's go Herring!

War Drewplata!

Crashsti · 06-03-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasp

Im a little surprised noone has questioned Lesnars condition. I have no inside information but he pretty much have to get tired fast with that huge body. I think Heath has a good chance of pulling out a victory if he can survive the first round. I think we would se a very tired Lesnar after the first round and then its a completly different match.

For the sake of the HWD i hope that Lesnar pulls of a victory. We pretty much know where we have Heath and he is no top HW. Lesnar could with a win here develop into something great and be a little injection in the division.

Prediction: Lesnar by TKO in the first round.

Brock Lesnar might be a big guy but that by does'nt mean his cardio is automatically in question. With proper training even the biggest guys can be conditioned so that they can last three, five minute rounds. The problem is, the training is very difficult and most guys want nothing to do with it. They quit before they even begin. Brock, despite rumored shortcomings in his personal life, is a dedicated athlete and it shows in his training. All he needs is a good strategy, one that goes beyond trying to pound Herring out inside the first minute. That could happen but he should'nt expect it to happen. Plan for the full 15 and if the opportunity to get the TKO or submission presents itself, take it.

Jasp · 06-04-2008, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

Brock Lesnar might be a big guy but that by does'nt mean his cardio is automatically in question. With proper training even the biggest guys can be conditioned so that they can last three, five minute rounds. The problem is, the training is very difficult and most guys want nothing to do with it. They quit before they even begin. Brock, despite rumored shortcomings in his personal life, is a dedicated athlete and it shows in his training. All he needs is a good strategy, one that goes beyond trying to pound Herring out inside the first minute. That could happen but he should'nt expect it to happen. Plan for the full 15 and if the opportunity to get the TKO or submission presents itself, take it.

Ofcourse you can have great cardio while at the same time have a huge muscle mass... but he really have a HUGE body and since its been awhile since he competed at top level i think thats its valid to question his cardio. As i said before, i have no inside information and from the few minutes of MMA i havent seen anything that indicates that he would have a bad cardio.

But i think that if Herring can survive round 1, it will be a different match and we will see how good cardio Lesnar have.

theultimatewarrior · 06-04-2008, 03:54 AM

I thought it was public knowldge that Lesnar had one of the best cardio's in MMA?

The guy is a fitness freak.

Jasp · 06-04-2008, 10:55 AM

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I thought it was public knowldge that Lesnar had one of the best cardio's in MMA?

The guy is a fitness freak.

I seriously doubt that Lesnar would be in the top cardio wise. But i guess we will see if his cardio is good if the fight goes to a second or a third round. Dont think it will go that far but maybe.

fullonshred · 06-04-2008, 11:28 AM

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I seriously doubt that Lesnar would be in the top cardio wise. But i guess we will see if his cardio is good if the fight goes to a second or a third round. Dont think it will go that far but maybe.

Jasp, I'm not sure about Lesnar's cardio, but I do know Herring's cardio has been suspect a time or two. I think cardio may be a wild card in this fight.

Jenkins83 · 06-04-2008, 03:25 PM

Lesnar was a WWE performer. Even though the fighting in pro-wrestling is fake, you still need to have top-notch cardio to perform in a WWE ring. A match can go on for 20, 25, 30 minutes without any breaks - in fact Brock Lesnar was actually in a match that lasted one full hour. I think it's safe to say Lesnar's cardio is fine.

fullonshred · 06-04-2008, 05:12 PM

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Lesnar was a WWE performer. Even though the fighting in pro-wrestling is fake, you still need to have top-notch cardio to perform in a WWE ring. A match can go on for 20, 25, 30 minutes without any breaks - in fact Brock Lesnar was actually in a match that lasted one full hour. I think it's safe to say Lesnar's cardio is fine.

In no way, shape, or form does even a 30 min. Fake Fight match the energy expended in a true MMA Match.

Jenkins83 · 06-04-2008, 05:59 PM

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In no way, shape, or form does even a 30 min. Fake Fight match the energy expended in a true MMA Match.

Never said that. I said being a WWE wrestler requires you to have top-notch cardio, which it does. Again, Lesnar was once in a 60-minute match. You try running around a ring for 60-minutes all the while picking up and slamming guys that weigh well over 200 lbs and tell me that it doesn't take good cardio. True, Lesnar's cardio was never tested in an MMA fight - but I have a feeling he's going to end up being like Sean Sherk, he will be able to go a full five rounds without gassing.

fullonshred · 06-04-2008, 06:55 PM

It's completely different when those are fake punches and slams you are receiving, and when the guys you are "fighting" are actually throwing their momentum into what ever you are doing to them. Long pauses to stalk around the ring and just grimace at each other....

2hrs. of that doesn't equal 1-15 minute MMA match in energy expended and damage received. I don't think we are going to be able to agree on this one.

Jenkins83 · 06-04-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fullonshred

It's completely different when those are fake punches and slams you are receiving, and when the guys you are "fighting" are actually throwing their momentum into what ever you are doing to them. Long pauses to stalk around the ring and just grimace at each other....

2hrs. of that doesn't equal 1-15 minute MMA match in energy expended and damage received. I don't think we are going to be able to agree on this one.

I agree that punches and kicks in pro-wrestling obviously don't require the same amount of energy expenditure as those in MMA, but as far as slams go there really isn't any difference. In both you have to lift the guy up and slam him down, it's the same physical action. Not all slams in pro-wrestling have the opponent throwing their momentum into it, a lot of them require the brute strength of the person doing the slam. Also, slams in MMA are rare and when they do happen they only happen once or twice in a fight because of the amount of energy expended. In pro-wrestling slams are done over and over again, one 30-minute match can have a guy doing 20-30 slams. Add all those slams to the amount of running, jumping, climbing, and mock punches/kicks that are done throughout the course of a full-length PPV quality WWE match. It is a true cardio test, I don't know how anyone can not agree with that.

Again, I'm not saying being a pro-wrestler requires better cardio then being an MMA fighter, I'm not even saying it requires the same level. Brock Lesnar's cardio was brought into question, and the only thing I'm saying is Lesnar was a pro-wrestler and having good cardio is a must in pro-wrestling.

kev0 · 06-04-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewplata

I am a fan of a new fighter named "Anyone fighting Brock Lesnar". I love how Dana criticizes Kimbo left and right, but embraces a former WWE actor and heavy steroid user, who happens to be a bigot. I know how accomplished of an amateur wrestler he was, but to me, that is far in the past. I will be rooting for him to fall on his face, showing himself to be a sideshow who can't stop a submission. Let's go Herring!

The only difference is that Brock is fighting Frank Mir and Heath Herring, and Kimbo is fighting Tank Abbot and James Thompson. Brock is out to prove something and Kimbo is out to earn a cheque. Kimbo is being HEAVILY protected and Brock is being thrown to the wolves.

Also, about the steroids, Brock was indeed pulled over and charged with possession of steroids, but the police dropped the charges when......wait for it....... they tested the drugs and it turned out they weren't steroids.