Poll-Do You Like Machida?

AikaImmortal · 05-29-2008, 04:32 PM

Heh, I had to edit it to read Hyperbaric, I had hyperbolic which is some math junk

stillstanding · 05-29-2008, 09:04 PM

I think I have found a weakness in Machida's great game.

In the third round with Tito, Machida looked like he was gassing. The way to beat Machida is to continuously press him. Don't give him a chance to set up counters. Do not be hesitant because when you do he will just sit back and pick you apart. Press the action, make him fight your fight and force to him to tire.

MTKrav911 · 05-29-2008, 09:28 PM

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I think I have found a weakness in Machida's great game.

In the third round with Tito, Machida looked like he was gassing. The way to beat Machida is to continuously press him. Don't give him a chance to set up counters. Do not be hesitant because when you do he will just sit back and pick you apart. Press the action, make him fight your fight and force to him to tire.

In all honesty, you're right. Machida would most likely be susceptible to someone who presses HIM and makes him work.

Unfortunately, Machida's style doesent allow for the press. Until some fighter finds a way to cut off the angular evasion of Machida? All fighters will suffer the same fate of Tito and Soukoudjou and the rest.

Machida is now 13-0, and that's not by accident. It's by the fact that no fighter can figure his style out. And his style isnt "Running". It's Evading.

Theres a difference.

Lyoto could give Fedor Emalienenko a headache. And probably still beat him too!

stillstanding · 05-29-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

In all honesty, you're right. Machida would most likely be susceptible to someone who presses HIM and makes him work.

Unfortunately, Machida's style doesent allow for the press. Until some fighter finds a way to cut off the angular evasion of Machida? All fighters will suffer the same fate of Tito and Soukoudjou and the rest.

Machida is now 15-0, and that's not by accident. It's by the fact that no fighter can figure his style out. And his style isnt "Running". It's Evading.

Theres a difference.

Your right bud. Some one would have to have a great "step in" and great cardio to beat Machida. When I was watching the fight I noticed that Machida uses angles the same way that Chuck Liddell does. Expect I noticed that Macida's were much quicker and Liddell has the KO power. Also, Machida is so good at what he does we haven't had a chance to witness how good his chin is. He really has not taken a shot flush, or even a decent shot at that matter.

MTKrav911 · 05-29-2008, 09:44 PM

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Your right bud. Some one would have to have a great "step in" and great cardio to beat Machida. When I was watching the fight I noticed that Machida uses angles the same way that Chuck Liddell does. Expect I noticed that Macida's were much quicker and Liddell has the KO power. Also, Machida is so good at what he does we haven't had a chance to witness how good his chin is. He really has not taken a shot flush, or even a decent shot at that matter.

Agreed.

And until that Submission Attempt by Tito? (See my sig gif below courtesy of Fight2Night), NOBODY has shown that Machida is weak in any area. Some argue, including me, that Tito came the closest in beating Machida with that attempt.

I want someone to test him. But right now?

It's Machida 13? Everyone else in MMA 0!

stillstanding · 05-29-2008, 10:10 PM

Yeah, who would you like to see Machida fight next?

This may sound weird but I think that Matt Hammill's ogre fighting style of getting in the clinch might cause Machida some problems. But then again, Machida would probably fight him and it would look like Machida/Tito

Jardine style might cause some problems and he does have the KO power. Him and Chuck would be interesting but it might be boring since both are counter fighters.

Mauricio Rua might be good with his returning fight after his lost to Griffin. He is skilled standing and has the pressing style that was mentioned before.

Thiago Silva has to be mentioned as he is also undefeated but I have not been quite sold on him yet.

Wanderlei Silva would be fun. Good Wanderlei get inside to throw those heavy shots that heard Jardine?

The winner (or loser) of Rampage and Griffin. I think Machida has a shot at beating both these individuals. Rampage with his power and I think that Griffin and Machida would be a very techical decision fight.

Tinker Bell · 05-30-2008, 02:06 AM

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Agreed.
Some argue, including me, that Tito came the closest in beating Machida with that attempt.

Absolutely! When Tito managed to slap the triangle on Machida, my jaw nearly dropped to the floor for a few reasons. 1. I bet some points on Machida to win the fight! 2. I don't think we have ever seen Tito go for a sub in any of his fights off his back like that. 3. Lyoto was dominating the fight for all three rounds and then within the last 30 seconds he could of lost. In my opinion if it was an experienced BJJ grappler doing that triangle he would of finished it. All it would of took was for Tito to one hook of Machidas legs when he posted out!

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Yeah, who would you like to see Machida fight next?

If Machida doesn't fight for the title in his next fight, I think it would be a real shame. He is undefeated, and 5-0 in the Octagon. What more does the guy have to do to get a title shot?

stillstanding · 05-30-2008, 04:07 AM

Besides fight top tier fighters and finish his opponents, nothing much

BCguy · 05-30-2008, 05:17 AM

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Besides fight top tier fighters and finish his opponents, nothing much

Beat me to it. Give him a top 5 LHW , if he wins , by all means give him his title shot.

BigSlick · 05-30-2008, 06:49 AM

I really like him and think and hope that Machida will fight for the title against the winner of rampage/forrest.

It would be nice to see how he would handle Houston Alexander or if Bisping hadnt dropped down to 185 it also would have made for a nice fight. Matt Hamill i think would be picked apart.

Futurefighter · 05-30-2008, 07:03 AM

I'm not a big fan of Machida. I think if someone pushed the pace on him and got up in his face he'd fall to pieces. All you've got to do is be aggressive (unlike his last few opponents). A couple times Ortiz got in close and landed some shots with Machia running away. It almost looks as if Machida cannot possbily stay in the pocket and bang, even if he wanted to.

the_natural · 05-30-2008, 09:08 AM

IMO a light heavyweight Couture would be Machida's worst matchup. He'd have a very hard time escaping Coutures clinch, and he would seriously test Machidas cardio. Randy by decision. Hammill was also a good shout, I think he could cause more problems than tito

OneBigThrow · 05-30-2008, 09:44 AM

nah hammill keeps his hands down too much and has a bad habit of reaching down for kicks

subgenius · 05-30-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by stillstanding

Yeah, who would you like to see Machida fight next?

This may sound weird but I think that Matt Hammill's ogre fighting style of getting in the clinch might cause Machida some problems. But then again, Machida would probably fight him and it would look like Machida/Tito

Jardine style might cause some problems and he does have the KO power. Him and Chuck would be interesting but it might be boring since both are counter fighters.

Mauricio Rua might be good with his returning fight after his lost to Griffin. He is skilled standing and has the pressing style that was mentioned before.

Thiago Silva has to be mentioned as he is also undefeated but I have not been quite sold on him yet.

Wanderlei Silva would be fun. Good Wanderlei get inside to throw those heavy shots that heard Jardine?

The winner (or loser) of Rampage and Griffin. I think Machida has a shot at beating both these individuals. Rampage with his power and I think that Griffin and Machida would be a very techical decision fight.

If they made Shogun Rua fight Lyoto Machida in Rua's next fight, then I would be a little surprised by that. Lyoto is on a roll. Rua needs to get his cage-legs stable before he faces another top level guy in the UFC. At the same time, I want to see Rua prove that he's still the number one LHW around. To do that, he needs a respectable (dangerous) opponent.

I think that Rua should fight Jardine next. Or, maybe somebody else that has a recent loss. Thiago Silva, Jardine, and Wanderlei have each fought recently. So, they will not fight again soon. The same for Lyoto Machida. So, maybe Shogun Rua should fight Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou. Either that, or give him an opponent that is debuting in the UFC.

As for Lyoto Machida, he should be looking at Chuck Liddell or Wanderlei Silva as his next opponent. All three have won their last fight, need a decent opponent to step up (again for Liddell and Silva) to world championship contention, and Machida-Liddell or Machida-Silva would sell as a PPV main event. The winner against Machida could get a title shot. Machida-Rampage? Liddell-Rampage 3? Silva-Rampage 3? I think those fights would be interesting.

Of course, what if Forrest Griffin beats Rampage Jackson?

earvinarp · 05-30-2008, 11:57 AM

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou just fought the other days as well. And why pair Shogun with another PRIDE guy? Personally I would like to see him against Evans.

subgenius · 05-30-2008, 12:01 PM

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Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou just fought the other days as well. And why pair Shogun with another PRIDE guy? Personally I would like to see him against Evans.

You're right. I forgot that he had just fought. It's not that it has to be another PRIDE guy. I just tossed out names of guys that would provide a good fight. Shogun needs to fight soon. So, I think most of the top guys have already fought recently. Rua-Evans would also be cool.

AikaImmortal · 05-30-2008, 12:17 PM

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Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou just fought the other days as well. And why pair Shogun with another PRIDE guy? Personally I would like to see him against Evans.

To remind us of when MMA was more exciting

earvinarp · 05-30-2008, 12:18 PM

I think Jardine needs to catch a little break in his next fight. He was a ko highlight reel superstar the other day and if the real Shogun shows up, he'd probably have a second go at the Oscar.

Going back to Machida, I believe he deserves the title shot. But due to scheduling reasons, another fight could be Hendo, if he goes back to LHW. Hendo, after all, is the last title challenger.

earvinarp · 05-30-2008, 12:19 PM

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To remind us of when MMA was more exciting

I think PRIDE's rules and incentives had lots to do with this though.

StratTone · 05-30-2008, 12:22 PM

I couldn't vote since my pick wasn't up there. I like that he beat Tito but that is about it. His style wins fights but is boring.