earvinarp

BJ Penn reached a decision against Machida, which is more than what people like Sokoudjou or Franklin could do. Few doubt that Machida and Franklin would finish off Kimbo in the first. So, why would Penn not be able to beat him. He would probably pick him apart in the stand up and submit him on the ground. Penn can grown up to over 180 lbs, and he is 5'9", which is tall for a light weight.

Penn by sub in the second.

Grrr

That is a good one and tere are lots of other good examples. Royce Gracie vs. Dan Severn I think is closer to the respective skill levels. Gracie submitted Severn from the bottom. Minowaman vs. Kimo is good and so is Minowaman vs. Butterbean and Minowaman isn't much of an MMA fighter at all. Kimbo was pathetic in that fight. As for throwing bombs, he couldn't even knock out a guy who supposedly had a glass jaw. BJ, on the other hand, well, you gotta catch him to hit him.

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stillstanding

I think people forget that BJ fought Lyoto Machida and was very competive against him. BJ wins this more times than not. BJ has never been finished besides the Matt Hughes fight and hell I would even have Hughes beating Kimbo at the moment. His ground game needs massive work. I don't care how big and strong you are, if you don't have the positionings and technique your strength will be wasted. This is the case here.

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666

Yeah, I was just telling my friend you save a massive load of strength if you can use the right movements advancing positions and in striking too (light build like me)

BigSlick

Bad example since the rules for the fight stated that kicks and knees was not allowed. But going with the spirit i think BJ would win if strikes wasnt allowed.

fullonshred

Do you seriously think Kimbo would land even one knee, much less kick, against BJ Penn? I don't.

My example was an excellent one. It shows that a much smaller, much more highly skilled fighter can defeat a much larger, less skilled opponent in the ground game. Even if the bigger guy initially manages to wind up on top, the more skilled fighter will often win.

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earvinarp

People forget or you do not need the previous posts? Check a couple before you. Thanks.

FatCatMC

What's your point? Do you own the rights to the word Machida or something? End thread, cuz earvinarp's post is the only one that matters...

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BigSlick

Sorry if i was unclear, it was in the Fedor match that knees and kicks where forbidden, ergo the K1 kickboxer really had a slim chance.

And no I dont think Kimbo would land a single knee or kick. I simply think that 260+ pounds of Kimbo might win vs 170- pounds Penn. Or hell now that i think
about it he actually might not because Penn is a monster.

SmashingMachine

If Penn couldn't get Kimbo down he'd get murdered...if he got it to the ground he'd win...but honestly I don't see him getting in on Kimbo...if he were a wrestler...yeah, but I don't think being a BJJ guy he'd get the right position.

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fullonshred

You were very clear in your original post. I understood that you meant the Fedor vs Hong Man Choi fight was no kicks/knees. I just meant that I don't think it would matter with Penn vs Slice. I thnk BJ is far to quick for Kimbo to land knees or kicks aginst him in a regular rules MMA fight. Slice had HORRIBLE (non-existant) takedown defense. Thompson is in no way noted for wrestling/takedown skills, yet he dropped Kimbo on his ass pretty much at will.

Simply put, I think BJ would get him to the ground, and once there, submit him despite the disparity in size/weight.

Now, if you made them fight in a phone booth with no rules, Kimbo would likely win.

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earvinarp

You can't be serious. The point? Well, here it goes: when someone says that people are forgetting something that was mentioned two posts before, it pretty much means they have not read the thread. That's the point.

stillstanding

Sorry bro. I read the first two pages and thought to myself. This is rediculous! So I put my two cents in without reading the rest.

No bad blood.


Edit: Also, people didn't realize the point the first or second time either now that I read back. So I think my post was warranted.

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FatCatMC

I am serious. Who the **** cares? You flip your bitch switch regularly like you own the place. Take a Midol and sit a few plays out killer.

I agree.

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Conman

Gary Shaw? Is that you?

I see the fight going down with Kimbo throwing a haymaker becoming off balance and a much quicker BJ would take his back choking him out from standing position.

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Jenkins83

Either that, or perhaps Kimbo would land a shot, get BJ dazed (thus nullifying his speed) and then proceed to overwhelm him with powerful strikes knocking him out. We could speculate how the fight would go all day but the truth is no one knows for sure what the outcome would be. What I do know is that I hope that someway somehow this fight happens one day so we can find out. I know Kimbo is an overhyped heavyweight, but in my opinion way too many people are dismissing his chances against a much smaller guy.

btw, I'm not Gary Shaw. I'm just the lone voice of reason in this thread that is clearly full of people who either have way too much love for BJ Penn, too much hate for Kimbo, or a combination of both.

LEFTHIGHKICK

I still think Kimbo would end up KOing or TKOing Penn ,

Size and strength is the biggest advantage you could ever have , even in an MMA fight.

That's why we have something in most combat sports called WEIGHT CLASSES

so, different size guys can be more evenly matched with guys their own size.

lets face it , it would be unfair if Sean Sherk who is 5'6 and 70kg to go up against Tim sylvia who is 6'8 and 230-240lbs. Its just totally unfair.

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WW: Josh Koscheck, Karo Parisyian, GSP
LW: Melvin Guillard, BJ Penn and Mac Danzig

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Conman

I don't see BJ getting knocked out by that guy. He has been in with world class strikers such Takanori Gomi, Duane Ludwig and Lyoto Machida. We have seen time and time again his opponets face mangled (GSP) with BJ virtually unscathed, he is just good at not getting hit. He could use his footwork, in-out combinations for a round at which point Kimbo would be tired and BJ would finish via whatever he wants.

btw, I would consider myself a BJ Penn nuthugger but I doubt all the other 80% votes are. I respect your opinion but for once I will have to agree with Dana.

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Crashsti

Weight classes were brought about because the skill level of all fighters was getting exceptional even. You no longer had highly skilled small guys fighting lazy big dudes with nothing more than a puncher's chance. Penn vs. Kimbo is a case of a highly skilled small guy versus a overly muscled heavyweight with no cardio and even less of a ground game. I agree that if Kimbo could hit Penn with a solid shot BJ would be in trouble. I just doubt that Kimbo would be able to even hit Penn or that Penn would allow himself to get into a position where he could be hit. Even against GSP, who is much faster than Kimbo, was unable to land any really effective strikes. Same could be said for Sherk, who swung wildly at Penn for almost the entire night. Rarely landing anything worth mentioning. Kimbo swinging at Penn would look like slow motion with BJ dodging everything.

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