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rsylver · 11-11-2005, 11:44 AM

I was curious what the difference is between stomping a downed opponent and heel kicking (straight down) on an opponents midsection?

In UFC 52 GSP was dropping soem hard heel kicks on "Mayhem" Miller and I was wondering because to me it almost looks like a stomp. Either way though aren't you "only" allowed to kick the legs of a downed opponent? Isn't midsection (stomach) and upper body against the rules?

Also on the topic of rules when an opponent has a side mount and he is elbowing the side of the head bringing his elbow parallel to the mat in a horizontal motion hitting with the point of the elbow, isn't that against the rules as well? It is not a downward motion because they are on the ground it becomes a horizontal motion but if they were standing it would be a downward strike with the point, so isn't it still the same strike just preformed in a mount position?

To me it seemed like there were a lot of rules broken in this event intentional or not. I was just curious on the rules for future events.

Unknown · 11-11-2005, 12:00 PM

Well, usually if the refs don't mention it and it happens over and over its legal. And you only can't kick and knee the head of a downed fighter. Body is fair game. And as for elbows all good elbow strikes use the point and they are only not allowed as a downward spiking elbow to the top of the head because things get real bloody fast.

All 31 rules have been the same for a while now and the only thing you might have to worry about is the whole 'no talking' thing that happened during the TUF 2 Finale.

rsylver · 11-11-2005, 12:36 PM

So can you stomp the body then?

rsylver · 11-11-2005, 12:38 PM

Or would they consisder a downward heel kick a kick and not a stomp even thought they look to same.

Unknown · 11-11-2005, 04:31 PM

Yes you can stomp to the body.

angryjonny · 11-11-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

Yes you can stomp to the body.

How come in the Sammy and Luke fight when Sam went for that Sakuraba style stomp and missed the ref said "you can't stomp the body, if that's what you were trying to do" Are the rules different in TUF fights?

mepersoner · 11-11-2005, 04:57 PM

You can't stomp a grounded opponent period.

I haven't seen that fight, or I'd comment.

[Danny] · 11-11-2005, 05:22 PM

You can kick and knee to the body all you want. I don't know if you can do a "regular" stomp to the body. I'll look it up at UFC.tv.

mepersoner · 11-11-2005, 05:23 PM

You can kick and knee, but you cannot stomp.

[Danny] · 11-11-2005, 05:24 PM

1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

angryjonny · 11-11-2005, 05:25 PM

Was Georges stomping Jason or was he doing axe kicks? I thought he was actually doing axe kicks, which would be allowed right? As long as he doesn't hit him in the head.

mepersoner · 11-11-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by [Danny]

16. Stomping a grounded opponent.

There it is.

666 · 11-11-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rsylver

GSP was dropping soem hard heel kicks on "Mayhem" Miller and I was wondering because to me it almost looks like a stomp

I saw that fight also and I was wondering about it, but I read all the rules and it doesnt say anything describing what he did, it doesnt say anything about kicking a ground opponent, only kicking the head of a grounded opponent

666 · 11-11-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fighttimes.com

Georges St. Pierre (5'10" 170 lb) v Jason Miller (6'1" 170 lb) - Welterweight
Referee: Big John McCarthy
Round 1
4.53: Miller attempted a right kick at St. Pierre's leg, but Georges stepped back out of range.
4.42: Miller tried the same kick and Georges caught it with his left mitt, throwing Jason on his back, before delivering a kick to Miller's legs. Georges followed with an axe kick to Miller's ribs. St. Pierre continued to out-gun the ever-game Miller with punches and counterpunches.

Axe kick, thats the word I was looking for. wasnt a stomp so no harm done

edit: I should have read your post earlyer jonny

Goose · 11-12-2005, 02:30 PM

Those rules look plain talkin and straight forward you can't misunderstand them unless you want too they are pretty genralized rules. However i thought in UFC rules you weren't allowed any stomping or striking to a downed opponent Wes Sims was DQ'd for stomping on Frank Mir in UFC 43. I know those rules in Pride are different altogether you can stomp to the body of a downed opponent soccer kick them in the head, now over here in the UK we have an oranisation called Cage Rage (which has the same generalized rules as above) if you get knocked down or taken down and you lay there and do nothing repetedly a little like a passivity call in wrestling the ref can declair open matt which alows the ground stomping and kicking etc so i guess it depends on which organisation you're fighting for.

glockmn · 11-12-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Goose

Those rules look plain talkin and straight forward you can't misunderstand them unless you want too they are pretty genralized rules. However i thought in UFC rules you weren't allowed any stomping or striking to a downed opponent Wes Sims was DQ'd for stomping on Frank Mir in UFC 43. I know those rules in Pride are different altogether you can stomp to the body of a downed opponent soccer kick them in the head, now over here in the UK we have an oranisation called Cage Rage (which has the same generalized rules as above) if you get knocked down or taken down and you lay there and do nothing repetedly a little like a passivity call in wrestling the ref can declair open matt which alows the ground stomping and kicking etc so i guess it depends on which organisation you're fighting for.

Sims was stomping on Mirs face

angryjonny · 11-12-2005, 06:11 PM

Sorry Goose. I'm having trouble understanding what you are trying to say.

Goose · 11-15-2005, 03:41 PM

Sorry guys didn't read the rules that were posted on the previous page properly didn't realise that i was repeating what had already been said.