Team Nogueira's take on Randy Couture.

WanderleiSliver · 07-04-2008, 05:11 PM

This is straight from the Team Nogueira website.

"With a win on Saturday, Feb 2nd, at UFC 81 against Tim Sylvia, Minotauro Nogueira became the first person to ever hold the heavyweight title in both Pride FC and the UFC.When comparing Nogueira, to whom many consider the greatest fighter of all time, there is no comparison. Randy Couture’s 16-8-0 record does not stand up with Nogueira’s considering Couture has half the amount of victories and double the amount of losses. Defeats against people like Mikhail Illoukhine, Valentijm Overeem and even Ricco Rodriguez are scars on Couture’s record which cannot be removed."

I'm not sure how many people regard Big Nog as the greatest of all time, one of them no doubt. Still, interesting none the less.

T-Bone · 07-04-2008, 05:32 PM

Did they just post this on their site...talking about a fight back in February?

Best of all time?

Maybe they should look up how Nog did against Fedor.

WanderleiSliver · 07-04-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

Did they just post this on their site...talking about a fight back in February?

Best of all time?

Maybe they should look up how Nog did against Fedor.

I have no idea, it could have been there for any amount of time TBH I only found out they had a website yesterday. Also I don't see how he can insult Randy for losing to Rodriguez, Ricco gave Nog some trouble.

Drewplata · 07-04-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

Did they just post this on their site...talking about a fight back in February?

Best of all time?

Maybe they should look up how Nog did against Fedor.

Yeah but Randy said that he has no interest in fighting Big Nog b/c he lost to Fedor twice. Clearly, Big Nog is not the greatest of all time, but neither is Randy. Big Nog should have said that he's not interested in fighting someone who lost twice at a lower weight class. Also could have noted Randy's loss to Inoue. I don't see how one could objectively consider Randy's career greater than that of Nogeira.

WanderleiSliver · 07-04-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewplata

Yeah but Randy said that he has no interest in fighting Big Nog b/c he lost to Fedor twice. Clearly, Big Nog is not the greatest of all time, but neither is Randy. Big Nog should have said that he's not interested in fighting someone who lost twice at a lower weight class. Also could have noted Randy's loss to Inoue. I don't see how one could objectively consider Randy's career greater than that of Nogeira.

I wonder if him not wanting to fight with Nog is anything to do with the fact if he loses he could and probably would lose his big payday against Fedor.

opsy · 07-04-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WanderleiSliver

I wonder if him not wanting to fight with Nog is anything to do with the fact if he loses he could and probably would lose his big payday against Fedor.

I think Tim Sylvia stole his thunder when he got the first crack at Fedor. His career is in limbo right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up retiring.

T-Bone · 07-04-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewplata

Yeah but Randy said that he has no interest in fighting Big Nog b/c he lost to Fedor twice. Clearly, Big Nog is not the greatest of all time, but neither is Randy. Big Nog should have said that he's not interested in fighting someone who lost twice at a lower weight class. Also could have noted Randy's loss to Inoue. I don't see how one could objectively consider Randy's career greater than that of Nogeira.

but what's with the timing of the post on Nog's site?

Drewplata · 07-04-2008, 06:19 PM

Well, considering that it was intelligible, it probably wasn't written by Nog. Dana White's personal assistant probably wrote it, trying to create some hype for the next (yawn) season of TUF.

WanderleiSliver · 07-04-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewplata

Well, considering that it was intelligible, it probably wasn't written by Nog. Dana White's personal assistant probably wrote it, trying to create some hype for the next (yawn) season of TUF.

A conspiracy?, I like it.

SmashingMachine · 07-05-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by opsy

I think Tim Sylvia stole his thunder when he got the first crack at Fedor. His career is in limbo right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up retiring.

Yeah really. There'll be no one rooting harder for Fedor, July 19th, than Randy Couture. Of course, if Tim does win...then I guess that kinda automatically makes Randy a shoe in for the greatest...since Randy thoroughly schooled Tim.

LEFTHIGHKICK · 07-05-2008, 07:23 AM

for what this is worth ,

in an interview with Randy Couture a while back, Randy had said that he is at this point a better fighter then he's ever been in his whole entire career, and that all the experience he's received from all his fights have made him into the fighter he is today.

That's why I dont judge him as a fighter based on his record, nor should anyone be judged by their record, fighter lose fights, they gain experience and they become better fighters!

Brad · 07-05-2008, 08:25 AM

Would Nog's team be saying this just to try and get Randy back into the UFC. Maybe Nogs team think the only fighter worth fighting for Nog is Randy, so they are trying to reel him in this way to get the match they want, as it will also inevitably help Nog with the popularity rise in the West.

CapAmericaFTW · 07-05-2008, 10:14 AM

Randy needs to either fight Nog, or completely retire and come OUT of retirement to fight Fedor.

Regardless, Nog is the LEGIT UFC Heavyweight Champion, and I for one am getting pissed that they're still calling him the "interim" champion.

opsy · 07-05-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CapAmericaFTW

Randy needs to either fight Nog, or completely retire and come OUT of retirement to fight Fedor.

Regardless, Nog is the LEGIT UFC Heavyweight Champion, and I for one am getting pissed that they're still calling him the "interim" champion.

Sounds like someone needs to change their name

Randy cares too much about the "respect" of the UFC and not about the respect of the fans.

Mickey Finn · 07-06-2008, 11:29 AM

how did none of you realise the "many consider the greatest fighter of all time" comment is referring to randy?

T-Bone · 07-06-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mickey Finn

how did none of you realise the "many consider the greatest fighter of all time" comment is referring to randy?

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When comparing Nogueira, to whom many consider the greatest fighter of all time, there is no comparison. Randy Couture’s 16-8-0 record does not stand up with Nogueira’s considering Couture has half the amount of victories and double the amount of losses.

Who didn't realize that? I still wanna know why this is being talked about now...considering the article is talking about Nog's February victory over Tim.

Anti avant-garde Nog site?

FightFan76 · 07-06-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LEFTHIGHKICK

for what this is worth ,

in an interview with Randy Couture a while back, Randy had said that he is at this point a better fighter then he's ever been in his whole entire career, and that all the experience he's received from all his fights have made him into the fighter he is today.

That's why I dont judge him as a fighter based on his record, nor should anyone be judged by their record, fighter lose fights, they gain experience and they become better fighters!

I agree 100%; Randy in his last couple fights was better than he was at any point during his career. That Randy would have atleast been able to win half the fights he lost over the course of his career if not more IMO.....

Mickey Finn · 07-07-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

Who didn't realize that?

because you and the thread starter made references as to whether nog was the best ever, which i didnt understand, because the claim was that people thought randy was the best ever

MTKrav911 · 07-07-2008, 01:25 AM

Randy needs to fight, but hasn't in some time.

On Inside The MMA, Bas Rutten made a repeated controversial comment such as

...'So many fighters complain about pay and respect. But if you don't have an organization to fight for? You're going to get neither. You're going to watch your career pass you by, and eventually, it'll be over.....'

paraphrased something like that. He really got under the skin of the guest fighters too on those broadcasts, but he's Bas Rutten, and made an excellent point.

Randy is watching what could be 1-2 more good years of his career pass him by IMO.

LEFTHIGHKICK · 07-07-2008, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Randy needs to fight, but hasn't in some time.

On Inside The MMA, Bas Rutten made a repeated controversial comment such as

...'So many fighters complain about pay and respect. But if you don't have an organization to fight for? You're going to get neither. You're going to watch your career pass you by, and eventually, it'll be over.....'

paraphrased something like that. He really got under the skin of the guest fighters too on those broadcasts, but he's Bas Rutten, and made an excellent point.

Randy is watching what could be 1-2 more good years of his career pass him by IMO.

which in fact , leads to my post above about Randy being a better fighter then he's ever been at this point.

Randy Couture is a very smart fighter, with all his experience. Let's face it, he watched Tim Sylvia gain the Heavyweight belt, and immediately he knew he could beat him , because he picked Tim Sylvia's weaknesses out and knew his strengths could beat his weaknesses , what did he do?? come back and fight him, and he beat him!

Why do so many fighters in the UFC have him as their Icon, the man they want to eventually be? honestly, I dont think I'd bet against him in a fight against Nog or Fedor! I mean I wouldnt bet on anyone coz it would be close fights. But I'd definitely give Randy a good chance against both of them.