Huerta not happy with the UFC

Dirty Fighter · 07-31-2008, 12:44 PM

I wonder if new contracts with the UFC will have clauses for no Affliction sponsorships.

Ventre · 07-31-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by asronn

lol...I wondered how long it would take you to defend the UFC on this. How long is Ventre going to hold out? lol

Why you attacking me mang?

Look at it in the way of other sports, all sports started off with low pay but once the popularity grew & the stadiums started filling up thats when the athletes got paid which btw we see what happens when they start getting paid 20 mill

You have to have the fans in the ppv & at the events in order to pay the money these fighters want & to stay afloat & right now when 13k people is considered good for a sale out then you have two choices
1. raise the prices of ppv & door tickets or 2. pay the fighters what they want and fold up the business in a year.

Yes ufc is making alot of money but it also has to be considered how much money they are spending also to support the business.

I think once the fights are pulling in at least 20-25k in door tickets alone you will see a increase of pay to the fighters.

Yes dana has billionares to back him but if they have to drop money into the ufc & the ufc cannot stay afloat by itself then whats the point of keeping it open?

Hell I got no mma skills but I'll train some go in and fight 3 times a week for 20k a match cause I am not greedy LOL thats plenty of money to live off for me I don't need fancy crap lol.

I do feel for the fighters but they are the foundation of the company & what it will become just takes time.

Affliction couldn't pay what they paid w/o trump & they won't be able to in the future as well if they dont get more fans at the events & ppv's and the owner of affliction said it himself.

MMA is still a baby sport thats all it is.
It doesn't come close to the ratings as other sports I mean hell the fake wrestling is watched more on monday nights then most any other show.

Pitbull · 07-31-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

Huerta is more marketing hype to get the latino population interested in MMA, rather than Boxing, as the community has always been staunch boxing supporters bringing in lots of money to the sport. He's nothing special.

I agree, and I don't even think he's served his purpose. I don't see the latino community rallying around this guy.

The UFC created a tremendous amount of hype for Roger, and he started to believe it. He was hanging out with ring girls, doing PR work, winning fights against lower ranked opponents.

And before anyone says he beat Clay Guida, let's not forget Roger was getting dominated for 2 plus rounds before Clay got caught with the knee. I'm not questioning Roger's heart, because he showed a lot to win the fight, but his skills aren't elite level.

Dumb move on Roger's part.

DISCO · 07-31-2008, 01:15 PM

MMA is still a baby sport thats all it is.
It doesn't come close to the ratings as other sports I mean hell the fake wrestling is watched more on monday nights then most any other show.[/quote]

Wrestling is fake??

But seriously, it really is hard to see why fighters aren't paid more. You're right, there is a lot of money that goes into building a promotion. But like you said, these fighters are the building blocks of the business. You'd think that you'd want to pay to keep them. We've been hearing grumblings from fighters that they want more pay. Hell, let'em go find better pay! If the Trump org will pay better and offer them the contracts then more power to them. My prediction: Fighters will leave the UFC and enter other orgs and each org will have "premier" fighters in the same weight class who we'll never get to see do battle....

Ninjamonkey · 07-31-2008, 01:22 PM

Once huerta gets beat down by Florian at the next UFC his stock / bargaining power will drop. He hasn't done much to deserve a pay raise besides pulling out a submission against Guida when he desperately needed it.

Its not a big surprise that MMA fighters aren't getting paid the big bucks. As far as I know, the UFC is the only organization that is actually pulling in a profit. Fighters can't go to other promotions and expect to get paid big money when the promotions can't even break even. Sure some fighters will jump ship and get paid for one big fight... then the promotion they were fighting for goes under. Great then what? Don't say they can go to Affliction... they are still very young in their development and I'm not convinced that they will stick around after their 3rd show.

jmag · 07-31-2008, 01:29 PM

They sign contracts knowing what they are getting. If they are climbing up into the limelight then they may seem underpaid, but they have to finish the contract and then agree to another one. Not that I know anything about it.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 07-31-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by asronn

lol...I wondered how long it would take you to defend the UFC on this. How long is Ventre going to hold out? lol

im not defending the UFC.... im sick of hearing about it from both sides... mind your own business, i have no idea who youare

PrettyBoy · 07-31-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitbull

I agree, and I don't even think he's served his purpose. I don't see the latino community rallying around this guy.

The UFC created a tremendous amount of hype for Roger, and he started to believe it. He was hanging out with ring girls, doing PR work, winning fights against lower ranked opponents.

And before anyone says he beat Clay Guida, let's not forget Roger was getting dominated for 2 plus rounds before Clay got caught with the knee. I'm not questioning Roger's heart, because he showed a lot to win the fight, but his skills aren't elite level.

Dumb move on Roger's part.

You think it's a dumb move? The worst that can happen is they don't resign him, then there's many places he can go, and become the champion very quickly, and getting paid 3x the amount UFC gives him.

PrettyBoy · 07-31-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjamonkey

Once huerta gets beat down by Florian at the next UFC his stock / bargaining power will drop. He hasn't done much to deserve a pay raise besides pulling out a submission against Guida when he desperately needed it.

Its not a big surprise that MMA fighters aren't getting paid the big bucks. As far as I know, the UFC is the only organization that is actually pulling in a profit. Fighters can't go to other promotions and expect to get paid big money when the promotions can't even break even. Sure some fighters will jump ship and get paid for one big fight... then the promotion they were fighting for goes under. Great then what? Don't say they can go to Affliction... they are still very young in their development and I'm not convinced that they will stick around after their 3rd show.

Wtf does it matter if he wins or losses?? He still deserves to get paid. Forrest lost to Tito so should he get paid 19k a fight to show? Chuck lost to Keith so should he get paid 19k to show?? K-flo lost to Sherk so he must only deserve 19k then to right??
Ignorent statement IMO, it doesn't matter if Tiger Woods wins every tournament, he's good and one of the best at what he does, so he gets paid, so why shouldn't Huerta/Couture/Sylvia/Andre etc etc.

I agree Huerta isn't top 3 LW in the UFC but he's top 5, and anyone in the top 10 deserves to be paid more then 19k, that's just pathetic IMO.

I look at it like, 19k for 4months work, then you gotta think of the training costs, hospital bills etc etc.

jplaca · 07-31-2008, 03:35 PM

I'd rather be a big fish in a little pond rather than a small fish in an ocean.

Roger obviously is opening up doors for other organizations. If I were Roger, I would look at small organizations, or possibly go overseas and fight in DREAM.

However, switching to Jardine, I am surprised Keith hasnt mentioned his poor pay more often. I remember seeing some of his salary figures and they are awful.... If you are going to give ANYONE a pay-raise, its Jardine who deserves one.

Dr.Robotnik · 07-31-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jplaca

I'd rather be a big fish in a little pond rather than a small fish in an ocean.
Roger obviously is opening up doors for other organizations. If I were Roger, I would look at small organizations, or possibly go overseas and fight in DREAM.

However, switching to Jardine, I am surprised Keith hasnt mentioned his poor pay more often. I remember seeing some of his salary figures and they are awful.... If you are going to give ANYONE a pay-raise, its Jardine who deserves one.

Me too. Thats why im the p4p toughest guy on my street.

MTKrav911 · 07-31-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

Someone sounds like he's tired of being a pawn and wants to get paid.

The Big Bad Baldman is not gonna be happy.

http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/07/31...-with-the-ufc/

As Bas Rutten said last month on Inside the MMA

"Be thankful you fight at all for the money you get. Otherwise, other promoters aren't going to want a whiner, and you'll be fighting nowhere watching your career pass you by like so many great fighters are right now."

StratTone · 07-31-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DISCO

One word: Unionize.

NOOOOOOOOOOO

MTKrav911 · 07-31-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjamonkey

Once huerta gets beat down by Florian at the next UFC his stock / bargaining power will drop. He hasn't done much to deserve a pay raise besides pulling out a submission against Guida when he desperately needed it.

Its not a big surprise that MMA fighters aren't getting paid the big bucks. As far as I know, the UFC is the only organization that is actually pulling in a profit. Fighters can't go to other promotions and expect to get paid big money when the promotions can't even break even. Sure some fighters will jump ship and get paid for one big fight... then the promotion they were fighting for goes under. Great then what? Don't say they can go to Affliction... they are still very young in their development and I'm not convinced that they will stick around after their 3rd show.

Agreed 100%.

I think that's where Bas was going with his statement on Inside The MMA. He used the fall of Pride Fighting as an example. So many great fighters there now are nowhere fighting for nobody watching their careers go away. A year, two years, three years? An eternity of losing your prime in Fighting.

It behooves fighters to keep theier mouths quiet and just fight, put on a great showing and EARN that big upper tier money.

You never get the big paydays by being a crybaby.

AikaImmortal · 07-31-2008, 04:12 PM

Sure you do, look at Tito.

Ninjamonkey · 07-31-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by codyfromstorm

he's good and one of the best at what he does, so he gets paid, so why shouldn't Huerta/Couture/Sylvia/Andre etc etc.

I agree Huerta isn't top 3 LW in the UFC but he's top 5, and anyone in the top 10 deserves to be paid more then 19k, that's just pathetic IMO.

I look at it like, 19k for 4months work, then you gotta think of the training costs, hospital bills etc etc.

First off, here is where we disagree. I don't think Huerta is one of the best at what he does. I don't even think he is top 15 in his division. Making almost 40k a fight is a reasonable pay for Huerta.

I think its very ignorant of you to think that he ONLY gets 19k for a fight if he loses. Fighters get a bulk of there money from sponsorships. Guess what, UFC has the most eyeballs watching so I'm sure sponsors are willing to shell out more money to sponsor a UFC fighter. Just being in the UFC indirectly makes a fighter money for the exposure. Would we even know who Huerta is if he didn't come to the UFC?

The bottom line is, Huerta signed a Contract. He knew what he was getting himself into. The fact that he wants more money because he is on a win streak is his problem. Should the UFC be able dock his pay if he loses his next fight? No. So he shouldn't be asking for more money until contract expires. If he is still unhappy with his pay in the UFC, then he is free to leave. I'm sick of fighters complaining about contracts that they agreed to. If fighters are that concerned about their pay, they should sign shorter contracts so they can renegotiate more often.

jyd94 · 07-31-2008, 04:34 PM

They are in a growing sport. UFC will do somethings right and somethings wrong. Sure I think he should have gotten more for the marketing he was doing, but in reality he was marketing himself through the UFC. It also seemed like a choice since he has decided not to do it anymore.

Stop bitching about your contracts, UFC sure as hell shouldn't turn into the NFL or any other professional sport. You want talented guys like Jeremy Shockey pouting till they get let out of their contact or fight who they want? I sure as hell don't. Sign a contract, fight, get a good record, time comes for a new contract get your due. Plan and simple, you start to deviate from that and you will have more problems than just randy.

Ztous · 07-31-2008, 04:37 PM

Huerta was spoon fed against lower opponents until he was popular enough to even make good money now he is gonna bitch that he isn't making enough? If it was someone who put themselves on the line constantly like Jardine then I would understand but Huerta should just shut up since he has had such an easy ride till now.

FightingIrish · 07-31-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitbull

I agree, and I don't even think he's served his purpose. I don't see the latino community rallying around this guy.

The UFC created a tremendous amount of hype for Roger, and he started to believe it. He was hanging out with ring girls, doing PR work, winning fights against lower ranked opponents.

And before anyone says he beat Clay Guida, let's not forget Roger was getting dominated for 2 plus rounds before Clay got caught with the knee. I'm not questioning Roger's heart, because he showed a lot to win the fight, but his skills aren't elite level.

Dumb move on Roger's part.

I agree with you almost word for word. He's got heart and talent and he should continue what he's doing, just keep winning and the money will come.

Speaking out like this will get you no where.

PrettyBoy · 07-31-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjamonkey

First off, here is where we disagree. I don't think Huerta is one of the best at what he does. I don't even think he is top 15 in his division. Making almost 40k a fight is a reasonable pay for Huerta.

I think its very ignorant of you to think that he ONLY gets 19k for a fight if he loses. Fighters get a bulk of there money from sponsorships. Guess what, UFC has the most eyeballs watching so I'm sure sponsors are willing to shell out more money to sponsor a UFC fighter. Just being in the UFC indirectly makes a fighter money for the exposure. Would we even know who Huerta is if he didn't come to the UFC?

The bottom line is, Huerta signed a Contract. He knew what he was getting himself into. The fact that he wants more money because he is on a win streak is his problem. Should the UFC be able dock his pay if he loses his next fight? No. So he shouldn't be asking for more money until contract expires. If he is still unhappy with his pay in the UFC, then he is free to leave. I'm sick of fighters complaining about contracts that they agreed to. If fighters are that concerned about their pay, they should sign shorter contracts so they can renegotiate more often.

Obviously he knows he isn't going to get paid more before his contract is up, a contract is a contract. Although this I would assume would be for the future so he gets paid more, although bitching about it wont help, but it will open up new oppertunities.

A fighter gets paid by his sponsers but if the fighter isn't any good then he wont get paid enough to live by his sponsers I wouldn't imagine anyways and according to you he isn't top 15 even though he beat Guida who is top 10.

If you can honestly name 15 other LWs in the UFC better then Huerta(and can back it up) I will send you 100k points lol.

Also, these fighters know how much the UFC makes more then we do, so they would know what would be a fair share to give the fighters, it's just like any job, if your boss is making a ridiculas amount more then you, and any other employees and you risk your career for the job, I would want more money aswell.