Huerta not happy with the UFC

RIPPEN · 07-31-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjamonkey

First off, here is where we disagree. I don't think Huerta is one of the best at what he does. I don't even think he is top 15 in his division. Making almost 40k a fight is a reasonable pay for Huerta.

I think its very ignorant of you to think that he ONLY gets 19k for a fight if he loses. Fighters get a bulk of there money from sponsorships. Guess what, UFC has the most eyeballs watching so I'm sure sponsors are willing to shell out more money to sponsor a UFC fighter. Just being in the UFC indirectly makes a fighter money for the exposure. Would we even know who Huerta is if he didn't come to the UFC?

The bottom line is, Huerta signed a Contract. He knew what he was getting himself into. The fact that he wants more money because he is on a win streak is his problem. Should the UFC be able dock his pay if he loses his next fight? No. So he shouldn't be asking for more money until contract expires. If he is still unhappy with his pay in the UFC, then he is free to leave. I'm sick of fighters complaining about contracts that they agreed to. If fighters are that concerned about their pay, they should sign shorter contracts so they can renegotiate more often.

GREAT POST MY FRIEND!!! I agree 100%

The day all these fighters start "walking" due to money is the day I begin to depart from watching MMA... The reason I don't watch any other professional sport is because of what they get paid and think its their god givin right..
As some others have mentioned I think the ONLY, and I mean ONLY fighter than should be upset is Jardine.. That guy has had twice as hard of a road as someone like Huerta and done twice as good.. I actually hope he is well taken care of his next signing..

PrettyBoy · 07-31-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ztous

Huerta was spoon fed against lower opponents until he was popular enough to even make good money now he is gonna bitch that he isn't making enough? If it was someone who put themselves on the line constantly like Jardine then I would understand but Huerta should just shut up since he has had such an easy ride till now.

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I didn't know Guida/Crane/Garcia and even Evans were that easy of opponents, some of the top notch BJJ guys in the LW div. I think he has had a tougher road then K-flo besides Sherk/Lauzon.
Also remember K-flo is almost 10years the elder, so obviously he has had a few tougher opponents.

PrettyBoy · 07-31-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPPEN

GREAT POST MY FRIEND!!! I agree 100%

The day all these fighters start "walking" due to money is the day I begin to depart from watching MMA... The reason I don't watch any other professional sport is because of what they get paid and think its their god givin right..
As some others have mentioned I think the ONLY, and I mean ONLY fighter than should be upset is Jardine.. That guy has had twice as hard of a road as someone like Huerta and done twice as good.. I actually hope he is well taken care of his next signing..

I agree that Jardine has had a tougher road, but I don't agree he has done twice as good. Besides the Chuck fight he hasn't impressed me awhole lot, he got KO'd agiesnt Silva(no biggie) and he also got KO'd agiesnt Houston and lost to Bonnar.
Although it's hard to compair becuase he has had way tougher opponents he is only 5-3 inside the UFC. Although with that being said I still agree he deffinitly needs to be paid.

Ninjamonkey · 07-31-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by codyfromstorm

A fighter gets paid by his sponsers but if the fighter isn't any good then he wont get paid enough to live by his sponsers I wouldn't imagine anyways and according to you he isn't top 15 even though he beat Guida who is top 10.

If you can honestly name 15 other LWs in the UFC better then Huerta(and can back it up) I will send you 100k points lol.

I never said he wasn't top 15 out of the UFC lightweights. I said he was not top 15 in his division, which believe it or not exists outside the UFC.

SmashingMachine · 07-31-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by asronn

lol...I wondered how long it would take you to defend the UFC on this. How long is Ventre going to hold out? lol

LOL...True, True.

Of course, others...who don't truly know me...would accuse me of just the opposite.

I think the UFC's a good organization and they and Dana have done wonders for the face/sport of mma. However, they do a lot of things, like this and countering the Affliction card, keeping bums around and letting good guys go...that suck. How can anyone blame a good fighter, like Huerta, for getting paid chicken feed; especially when others who aren't any better make loads more cash? Now, I realize Huerta is not yet deserving of a Chuck Liddell kinda pay check, but a little more consistency and love would do wonders for improving morale amongst their fighters...and improving those fighters' loyalty to the UFC too. "Happy Cows make better Cheese."

Kurtis636 · 07-31-2008, 06:50 PM

Please, name the 15 guys you would rank ahead of him. I think he's been damned impressive. I also think he'll beat Kenny.

Ninjamonkey · 07-31-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurtis636

Please, name the 15 guys you would rank ahead of him. I think he's been damned impressive. I also think he'll beat Kenny.

In no particular order:

Penn
Gomi
Alvarez
Sherk
Hellboy
Aoki
JZ Cavalcante
Josh Thomson
Melendez
Kawajiri
Kenflow
uno
stevenson
edgar
griffen

Ninjabot · 07-31-2008, 07:17 PM

If he beats KenFlo he will get a good contract. He only has 1 notable win on his record and is getting paid up to 40k a fight not including possible fight bonus and sponsorship. I bet he cleared 200 or 300k last year easy. He wins next week and i say he gets around 60k a fight.

Ventre · 07-31-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashingMachine

LOL...True, True.

Of course, others...who don't truly know me...would accuse me of just the opposite.

I think the UFC's a good organization and they and Dana have done wonders for the face/sport of mma. However, they do a lot of things, like this and countering the Affliction card, keeping bums around and letting good guys go...that suck. How can anyone blame a good fighter, like Huerta, for getting paid chicken feed; especially when others who aren't any better make loads more cash? Now, I realize Huerta is not yet deserving of a Chuck Liddell kinda pay check, but a little more consistency and love would do wonders for improving morale amongst their fighters...and improving those fighters' loyalty to the UFC too. "Happy Cows make better Cheese."

You guys must not read what I type lol. I have said it before & here I will say it again, I see more ufc because ufc is promoted more but again I watch whatever mma I can and I love it all but I work 12 hour shifts & I havent yet figured out which shows are on when.

Yes I love the ufc & yes I defend it when it needs to be defended but I also state those things which I think to be bull****.

So far the only ones putting me in the catagory of ufc hugger are the ones that are mostly anti ufc.

Last time, I got started with ufc & have found more shows since then I like mma not just ufc.

Ztous · 07-31-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by codyfromstorm

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I didn't know Guida/Crane/Garcia and even Evans were that easy of opponents, some of the top notch BJJ guys in the LW div. I think he has had a tougher road then K-flo besides Sherk/Lauzon.
Also remember K-flo is almost 10years the elder, so obviously he has had a few tougher opponents.

Guida is his only legit opponent and that was a come from behind victory after being dominated for 2 rounds. Crane has no big wins, was his first time in the UFC and has lost his last three fights. Garcia isn't very impressive either being that it was his first time in the UFC, he has never beaten any big names and also the guys has been bumped to the WEC since losing to Cole Miller.

I'm not about to retract my statement I maintain that Huerta was spoon fed opponents until he was popular.

NWCrazy · 07-31-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by codyfromstorm

Wtf does it matter if he wins or losses?? He still deserves to get paid. Forrest lost to Tito so should he get paid 19k a fight to show? Chuck lost to Keith so should he get paid 19k to show?? K-flo lost to Sherk so he must only deserve 19k then to right??
Ignorent statement IMO, it doesn't matter if Tiger Woods wins every tournament, he's good and one of the best at what he does, so he gets paid, so why shouldn't Huerta/Couture/Sylvia/Andre etc etc.

I agree Huerta isn't top 3 LW in the UFC but he's top 5, and anyone in the top 10 deserves to be paid more then 19k, that's just pathetic IMO.

I look at it like, 19k for 4months work, then you gotta think of the training costs, hospital bills etc etc.

I've been saying all along that UFC fighters are paid squat. The way you look at it makes sense. So if we assume 19K for 4 months work; that amounts to $57K for a years work, with pretty much no benefits. Sure, the UFC will take care of your medical needs, if they happen on the job. But what about getting injured at home from a fall or going to the doctor because of a throat infection? Will the UFC pay for it then...?

Many businesses, even small businesses provide health insurance for FT workers. Shouldn't the UFC start providing 401Ks and health plans for their FT fighters (ie those who train and fight full time).

comucazi · 07-31-2008, 08:51 PM

I don't give a damn if he makes 22 bucks a fight if he goes home with arianny

jplaca · 07-31-2008, 08:53 PM

Author of controversial FIGHT! story on Roger Huerta discusses backlash | MMAjunkie.com

Author's Update on Story of Huerta

OneBigThrow · 07-31-2008, 09:20 PM

i dont think this is a case of being whiney

50 dollar per diem is ****in bull****

in college we got 40 bucks a day to travel to track meets

and in real life when you have a real job on a company trip, they dont even **** with per diem they hand you a company card and tell you to keep the receipts for the expense report...end of that story

most companies do that **** so that they show that they take care of their company...i be in a restaurant and they ask where im from and what im doin in this state im like "we work for syngenta doin xxxx research" then you hit em with a big tip the company doesnt mind a bit its a way to show you take care of your employees and that youd want to work there

it doesnt seem that Zuffa does this...50 ****in dollars is crap..for a whole day

5 meals man at least

bayouboy · 07-31-2008, 09:31 PM

So first he pisses off his boss and then he gets choked out in the 1st by KenFlo. It will have been a rough couple of weeks for poor little Roger.

Cuts O Meat · 07-31-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OneBigThrow

i dont think this is a case of being whiney

50 dollar per diem is ****in bull****

in college we got 40 bucks a day to travel to track meets

and in real life when you have a real job on a company trip, they dont even **** with per diem they hand you a company card and tell you to keep the receipts for the expense report...end of that story

most companies do that **** so that they show that they take care of their company...i be in a restaurant and they ask where im from and what im doin in this state im like "we work for syngenta doin xxxx research" then you hit em with a big tip the company doesnt mind a bit its a way to show you take care of your employees and that youd want to work there

it doesnt seem that Zuffa does this...50 ****in dollars is crap..for a whole day

5 meals man at least

Yeah I'm with you on this..

I recently travelled for my work, and they paid me a few hundred for each away. And that's not including accommodation or car rental. I can't believe Huerta was paid not even a quarter of what I was paid. And I'm just a measly software developer!

Scarecrow · 07-31-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fullonshred

I can't believe Jardine has been fighting for $20,000 max in his fights. That is total crap. You fight Chuck and Wandy, you ought to gets paid! Not to mention whipping Forrest's ass.

Just the simple fact that he beat Chuck should have him making 50-100k per fight.

T-Bone · 07-31-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jplaca

Author of controversial FIGHT! story on Roger Huerta discusses backlash | MMAjunkie.com

Author's Update on Story of Huerta

Thanks placa. It's good to see the writer explaining some things and good answer here...

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So, after spending so much time covering the sport and interacting with the fighter, does Taflinger agree with Huerta's general assessment of the business and that UFC executives don't always treat their fighters the way they should?

"When I write profiles of people, my job is to record the interaction and present them as honestly as possible," he said. "I provide context and clarification when needed, but I try to stay out of the story. It's about them, not me."

Young_Neil · 07-31-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fullonshred

I can't believe Jardine has been fighting for $20,000 max in his fights. That is total crap. You fight Chuck and Wandy, you ought to gets paid! Not to mention whipping Forrest's ass.

i bet he got a big bonus after the fight, 20,000 would be his "official" winnings but we all know the ufc takes care of people who put on a show

uncle_leo · 07-31-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjamonkey

The bottom line is, Huerta signed a Contract. He knew what he was getting himself into. The fact that he wants more money because he is on a win streak is his problem. Should the UFC be able dock his pay if he loses his next fight? No. So he shouldn't be asking for more money until contract expires. If he is still unhappy with his pay in the UFC, then he is free to leave. I'm sick of fighters complaining about contracts that they agreed to. If fighters are that concerned about their pay, they should sign shorter contracts so they can renegotiate more often.

I totally agree.
It's a contract! If you don't like it don't sign.
I have no problem with someone not signing/renewing their contact and moving onto something else. If you do your job well then eventually you will get paid more.