confirmed St Pierre v.s. penn confirmed!

titoortiz1 · 12-18-2005, 10:32 PM

so when is this fight goin down..? 57?

GSPALLTHEWAY · 12-19-2005, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

I understand where your coming from but I don't think it has anything to do with Matt. He doesn't make those decisions. And he was supposed to have a title shot last month but all this weird crap happened, Karo getting hurt, and Riggs not making weight. It will happen eventually and it's not like BJ is an undeserving fighter or anything. If Georges beats him than that will settle any of the disputes about the "real" champ and all that nonsense.

i just want to make it clear i dont blame matt at all... i blame the ufc for not doing the right thing... im sure matt hughes will fight anyone anywhere, he is by no means scared, but i just feel he should be fighting GSP now while penn gets one fight before then moves on if he wins... GSP is a far better opp for hughes then karo or anyone for that matter (besides penn)
just seems like an awful draw for GSP. where does that leave if he loses to penn?

Unknown · 12-19-2005, 01:31 AM

Jonny, every fighter who ever was a champ has a belt sitting at home with them, that Dosn't mean that they are are the champ. BJ lost the title, plain and simple now he has to fight Matt to get it back. Otherwise he is just another contender. There are a number of ways to loose the belt and alot of them don't even involve fighting. Accident. Ex Frank Mir. Decide to leave the sport and come back. Ex Randy's first HW championship. Breaking your contract. Ex BJ Penn. And however you loose it, it's gone. Only one way to win it back is to fight (and beat) the champ. And Matt Hughes has earned the title back. Saying anyone else is the champion is disrespectful to him.

WarDawg, If GSP gets beat by Penn (entirely a possibility) Penn will get the next title shot. But yes something is being stolen from GSP here, because he already earned another shot at Matt with his unbelieavibly domminant performances against Trigg and Sherk. Actually his fight with Trigg was supposed to be the number 1 contender match but he still had to have another fight before fighting Matt. GSP shouldn't have to fight for another shot at Matt again. He has already earned it. TWICE. Zuffa should have given him a shot at Matt first. Then let the the winner fight BJ. And I hold to that.

L0cusT · 12-19-2005, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by titoortiz1

so when is this fight goin down..? 57?

i hope so

but if its on 58 then they'll just be more well prepared

angryjonny · 12-19-2005, 09:27 AM

Unknown, turn the sarcasm detector on.

subgenius · 12-19-2005, 01:28 PM

If Karo Parisyan gets the next shot at Matt Hughes, then NOTHING has been stolen from GSP. I love Rush GSP, but he is only the #2 contender technically. Karo The Heat Parisyan was due a title shot at the last PPV, but was forced to withdraw from the match due to a training injury. Riggs did not make weight, and so no title defense. Hughes may have satisfied the contractual and title responsibilities, but the fans are still due a WW title defense.

A healthy Karo Parisyan ought to get the next shot, and then GSP. But, only if GSP defeats BJ The Prodigy Penn. It is good for GSP to beat the snot out of Penn. I am sure that GSP was never told that should he defeat Sean Sherk, then GSP gets a title shot -- I am sure that was not official. GSP begged for a title shot. After he beats Penn, then it will be exceedingly hard for the UFC to deny GSP.

soundsdistilled · 12-19-2005, 02:17 PM

it'll be a dope fight regardless - i also think GSP earned another title shot but karo has one too, and why keep GSP waiting in the wings or toss penn an easy win? makes sense from a $$ point of view to have penn vs GSP, karo vs hughes and the winners fighting next.

even if GSP loses to penn and hughes loses to karo (not that i think that likely) you still have the losers who can fight and then slowly lead back into another shot / defense. alot of combinations and options in the division this year!

titoortiz1 - i'd bet on gsp vs penn for ufc 58, possibly 59.

Unknown · 12-19-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Unknown, turn the sarcasm detector on.

Sorry Jonny, but as I have said before I can't seem to notice sarcasm when I am reading posts.

Unknown · 12-19-2005, 03:38 PM

Subgenius, Karo wasn't the number 1 contender. GSP was and has been since his fight with Trigg. But the number 1 contender dosn't always get the first shot. Karo was a guy (IMO) that the UFC thought that Matt would beat easily like they did with Rich and Quarry. It is my thinking that because they had both been on TUF they decided to wait on giving the number 1 contenders (GSP and the Crow) so that later PPV's would have more of a draw when they didn't have a whole season of TUF leading into it. Not that Karo is not good, but his style and his lack of finishing ability play right into Matt's strengts and I still think that Matt wouldn't have had much trouble with Karo.

angryjonny · 12-19-2005, 03:40 PM

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Sorry Jonny, but as I have said before I can't seem to notice sarcasm when I am reading posts.

It's cool. You should know I wouldn't say something to disrespect Matt and be serious. And I completely agree with you ideas on the titles. Even if you are stripped of the title you are no longer the champion. I know the fighters like Mir, B.J., Murilo, Jens, and Couture's first HW championship etc. might have thought differently. But that's tough. They have to earn the title again and take on the title of "contendor" again to the current champ.

subgenius · 12-19-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

Subgenius, Karo wasn't the number 1 contender. GSP was and has been since his fight with Trigg. But the number 1 contender dosn't always get the first shot. Karo was a guy (IMO) that the UFC thought that Matt would beat easily like they did with Rich and Quarry. It is my thinking that because they had both been on TUF they decided to wait on giving the number 1 contenders (GSP and the Crow) so that later PPV's would have more of a draw when they didn't have a whole season of TUF leading into it. Not that Karo is not good, but his style and his lack of finishing ability play right into Matt's strengts and I still think that Matt wouldn't have had much trouble with Karo.

That is why I wish that the UFC website would list the official top ten contenders to each title. It would help eliminate all of the confusion. It seems that whomever is in the ring at the moment a title is defended should be the #1 contender. Also, why would GSP need to literally get on his knees and beg for a title shot, if he was already the #1 contender?

glockmn · 12-19-2005, 06:49 PM

I don't think they post that because it is clear they don't pick the fights that way i am not sure how they do it it is confusing

L0cusT · 12-19-2005, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

If Karo Parisyan gets the next shot at Matt Hughes, then NOTHING has been stolen from GSP. I love Rush GSP, but he is only the #2 contender technically. Karo The Heat Parisyan was due a title shot at the last PPV, but was forced to withdraw from the match due to a training injury. Riggs did not make weight, and so no title defense. Hughes may have satisfied the contractual and title responsibilities, but the fans are still due a WW title defense.

A healthy Karo Parisyan ought to get the next shot, and then GSP. But, only if GSP defeats BJ The Prodigy Penn. It is good for GSP to beat the snot out of Penn. I am sure that GSP was never told that should he defeat Sean Sherk, then GSP gets a title shot -- I am sure that was not official. GSP begged for a title shot. After he beats Penn, then it will be exceedingly hard for the UFC to deny GSP.

i can understand why is karo getting a title shot, but i disagree saying gsp is not the #1 contender

also, karo got beated by gsp

parysian is ranked like 4 or 5, well i think he should be ranked 4, matt #1, then penn and gsp

Master Jones · 12-19-2005, 08:54 PM

That actually ticks me off more than anything. What does GSP need to do here? He should be fighting Matt next. Don't care about Penn at all at this point. Cause if by some reason GSP loses, we will never see him and Matt fight again. Thats B.S.

glockmn · 12-20-2005, 02:13 AM

Penn is a great fighter but I don't think anyone can beat GSP right now he is hot I don't think he will get beat untill he has the title and when he gets it i think Matt is the only one that will take it from him

L0cusT · 12-20-2005, 06:53 AM

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Penn is a great fighter but I don't think anyone can beat GSP right now he is hot I don't think he will get beat untill he has the title and when he gets it i think Matt is the only one that will take it from him

i think the same as you, but seriously i dopnt underestimate bj penn, gsp never faced someone with bjj and submission skills like penn before...but he impressed me when he fought against parysian, wich is good at submission

if im right gsp has a better reach, and like gsp said , hes more a karate background fighter than a wrestler, and i see him using his stand up skils against penn cause this is the way he will be able to control the fight cause on the ground it could be harder against a guy like bj penn

subgenius · 12-20-2005, 10:51 AM

The Canadians train seriously hard. If Penn does not step up to that level of training, then Penn will go down. GSP is among the best of the Canadians, and he is a seriously well-rounded fighter. Has he faced someone like Penn? I think that GSP has, because he fought Hughes. GSP is the type of fighter that learns from every mistake, and he does not make very many. BJ Penn will not beat GSP...

angryjonny · 12-20-2005, 11:02 AM

BJ Penn is not like Matt Hughes...

soundsdistilled · 12-20-2005, 04:28 PM

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Cause if by some reason GSP loses, we will never see him and Matt fight again. Thats B.S.

i don't agree with that - even if he loses to penn a rematch with hughes would probably be in the works down the road just because it'll be such a good fight. no reason for the UFC to pass on that one! they need a rematch for sure and it'll draw an audience, no?

Unknown · 12-20-2005, 04:44 PM

Well Rumor is that Karo is getting a shot on this same card so even if GSP looses we should see a rematch down the road. But I still think that GSP deserves one on this PPV, and if he beats BJ then The very next time Matt steps into the octagon it better be a rematch with GSP.