Jerome LeBanner challenges Sylvia

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by [Danny]

Tim Sylvia is a crap stain in Fedor's pants than by that analogy.

I agree. Tim Sylvia would get destroyed by the man-monster Fedor. But, that does not change the fact that both fighters have held or are holding HW championship titles with a 20-2 record or 23-1 record. You cannot change those facts. And, those facts make better sense than a 2-1-1 nobody fighting a 20-2 former champion. That is far beneath Sylvia. I would be insulted by the challenge, If it were me...

I do NOT think that Fedor would be insulted by a challenge from a 20-2 former UFC HW champion... Although, I am sure he would rather fight AA.

Unknown · 02-12-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I agree. Tim Sylvia would get destroyed by the man-monster Fedor. But, that does not change the fact that both fighters have held or are holding HW championship titles with a 20-2 record or 23-1 record. You cannot change those facts. And, those facts make better sense than a 2-1-1 nobody fighting a 20-2 former champion. That is far beneath Sylvia. I would be insulted by the challenge, If it were me...

I do NOT think that Fedor would be insulted by a challenge from a 20-2 former UFC HW champion... Although, I am sure he would rather fight AA.

If Tim is insulted by a challange from a better fighter then him then he has issues.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 01:57 PM

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Considering the Fact that Lebanner has a great chance of beating Tim. I think that he would be a very good opponent for Tim if he want's to prove he is the best. It somthing like 90% of MMA fans think that Tim would get KTFOed and anther 5% thinking that Lebanner would win by decision. The rest is Tim by sub.

I am unsure that makes real sense. What fact makes a KO to Tim Sylvia from Lebanner "a great chance?" Sylvia needs to beat real MMA competition to maintain his championship contention. Fighting some nobody would not do that for him. If I were Sylvia, I would not care what the fans want in a situation like this -- HIS CARREER supercedes such pettiness. He needs to keep his eye on the TITLE and defeat other TITLE contenders.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 02:01 PM

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If Tim is insulted by a challange from a better fighter then him then he has issues.

Who is that better fighter? A guy that could not beat Bob Sapp? A guy that got submitted by a 2-4 MMA fighter? If Lebanner could not defeat them, then why is he a "better fighter" than Sylvia? Lebanner has defeated a guy with a 2-3 record and a guy with a 4-1 record. Does that make him the "better fighter?" Are you saying that Lebanner is better than all the opponents that Sylvia has faced?

Tim Sylvia had the right reaction. He should just ignore Lebanner until the guy has a real record against real tough MMA fighters...

Unknown · 02-12-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I am unsure that makes real sense. What fact makes a KO to Tim Sylvia from Lebanner "a great chance?" Sylvia needs to beat real MMA competition to maintain his championship contention. Fighting some nobody would not do that for him. If I were Sylvia, I would not care what the fans want in a situation like this -- HIS CARREER supercedes such pettiness. He needs to keep his eye on the TITLE and defeat other TITLE contenders.

If Tim were to knock out JLB he would be instantly considered the best striker in MMA. JLB is an amazing kickboxer. He makes chuck look bad. And for Tim if he dosn't take the challange after all the talk he has been doing he wont be very marketable by the UFC. His carrear is very dependant on his image.

And if JLB were to fight in the UFC he would instantaly become a title contender.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 02:07 PM

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If Tim were to knock out JLB he would be instantly considered the best striker in MMA. JLB is an amazing kickboxer. He makes chuck look bad. And for Tim if he dosn't take the challange after all the talk he has been doing he wont be very marketable by the UFC. His carrear is very dependant on his image.

And if JLB were to fight in the UFC he would instantaly become a title contender.

Well, prophetic visions aside, this is all speculation. The fight will not happen unless Lebanner leaves K-1 KB or MMA and enters the octagon. Then, I am secure in my opinion that he will not ammount to much initially. This is the octagon -- not K-1 Heroes. IMO, the best MMA in the world happens in two places, in the octagon and in the PRIDE ring... not in K-1 Heroes. But, that is just my opinion.

Lets see Lebanner make a real name for himself in MMA, and then we can see a Sylvia-Lebanner match...

Unknown · 02-12-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Who is that better fighter? A guy that could not beat Bob Sapp? A guy that got submitted by a 2-4 MMA fighter? If Lebanner could not defeat them, then why is he a "better fighter" than Sylvia? Lebanner has defeated a guy with a 2-3 record and a guy with a 4-1 record. Does that make him the "better fighter?" Are you saying that Lebanner is better than all the opponents that Sylvia has faced?

Tim Sylvia had the right reaction. He should just ignore Lebanner until the guy has a real record against real tough MMA fighters...

Tim didn't have the right reaction, He was contacted before the challange was issued about JLB wanting to fight him.

And subgenius for the 1 millionth time. It's not the record. Its all a matter of style and skill. Tim is a striker with limited ground skill. JLB is a better striker with slightly worse ground skill.

And to be honest, is a guy with a 9-3 record and a loss (by KO) to 4-9 fighter, really in Tim's league.

Face it subgenius record comparision, MMA Math, or any other way of using numbers in MMA dosn't work.

Unknown · 02-12-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Well, prophetic visions aside, this is all speculation. The fight will not happen unless Lebanner leaves K-1 KB or MMA and enters the octagon. Then, I am secure in my opinion that he will not ammount to much initially. This is the octagon -- not K-1 Heroes. IMO, the best MMA in the world happens in two places, in the octagon and in the PRIDE ring... not in K-1 Heroes. But, that is just my opinion.

Lets see Lebanner make a real name for himself in MMA, and then we can see a Sylvia-Lebanner match...

Lebanner dose have a big name for himself in MMA when you consider the number of people that think he would win an MMA match. Lebanner does not have an exclusive contract with k-1. He has accecpted Tim's challange to only fight in the octagon. Now it is up to tim to either accept it or to chicken out. It won't happen untill after Tim loses to AA again anyway.

And saying the best MMA happens in only two places is a very narrow way to look at it. K-1 is still by far the largest of all the promotions.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 02:17 PM

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Lebanner dose have a big name for himself in MMA when you consider the number of people that think he would win an MMA match. Lebanner does not have an exclusive contract with k-1. He has accecpted Tim's challange to only fight in the octagon. Now it is up to tim to either accept it or to chicken out. It won't happen untill after Tim loses to AA again anyway.

And saying the best MMA happens in only two places is a very narrow way to look at it. K-1 is still by far the largest of all the promotions.

On that last point, most people prefer quality over quantity. I just do not like K-1 Heroes. I think that they do not have the level of talent that the UFC and PFC muster. K-1 KB is a different issue -- THAT is the reason that K-1 is so huge. It is the KB.

As for making a name. Millions can think a person will do well... Actually doing well is a totally different issue.

Unknown · 02-12-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

On that last point, most people prefer quality over quantity. I just do not like K-1 Heroes. I think that they do not have the level of talent that the UFC and PFC muster. K-1 KB is a different issue -- THAT is the reason that K-1 is so huge. It is the KB.

As for making a name. Millions can think a person will do well... Actually doing well is a totally different issue.

Did you know the reason pride is so big is because of the wrestling company owned by DSE. The first pride event actually cost DSE a good deal of money.

And when it 90+ percent it not just about having a big name. Most of the people in that poll really know what they are talking about.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 02:26 PM

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Did you know the reason pride is so big is because of the wrestling company owned by DSE. The first pride event actually cost DSE a good deal of money.

And when it 90+ percent it not just about having a big name. Most of the people in that poll really know what they are talking about.

Maybe so... Time will tell, not a poll.

We may never know... The fight may never happen. And, to be honest, that would be just fine by me. I want Sylvia going against top level UFC or PFC opponents.

Jras0001 · 02-12-2006, 02:30 PM

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I am unsure that makes real sense. What fact makes a KO to Tim Sylvia from Lebanner "a great chance?" Sylvia needs to beat real MMA competition to maintain his championship contention. Fighting some nobody would not do that for him. If I were Sylvia, I would not care what the fans want in a situation like this -- HIS CARREER supercedes such pettiness. He needs to keep his eye on the TITLE and defeat other TITLE contenders.

well, i tell you what....if tim were to beat this "nobody" and "inferior" fighter, as you say...my respect for tim as a figher would grow leaps and bounds. i personally dont like him but as a fighter, if he pulled the win from this fight, hed have my respect. im sure there are several others that feel the same way. plus, by beating someone like lebanner, id say that would keep him in title contention pretty easily

angryjonny · 02-12-2006, 02:38 PM

Yay. Sub g is digging a hole again! Always a good time.

If Sylvia didn't want this fight than he wouldn't have responded. No use in whining about how Jerome doesn't "deserve" to fight him. If this happens soon I will be more than happy because I'll get to see Tim get knocked out.

Oh and one more thing. What little respect I had for Tim Sylvia (only as a fighter, not a person) is all gone after his ridiculous comments made. Trying to act like he didn't know who LeBanner was and calling him LeBitch, and insulting his ethnicity. It's childish and I hope Andrei smashes him then Jerome gets to give him a followup smashing. I hope he pummels him so bad and completely emberasses him in front of all the millions of fans who think he's a "nobody" maybe then he think about what he says next time someone issues a friendly challenge to him.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 02:40 PM

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well, i tell you what....if tim were to beat this "nobody" and "inferior" fighter, as you say...my respect for tim as a figher would grow leaps and bounds. i personally dont like him but as a fighter, if he pulled the win from this fight, hed have my respect. im sure there are several others that feel the same way. plus, by beating someone like lebanner, id say that would keep him in title contention pretty easily

Wouldn't a win over AA be 100 times more impressive? Who is Lebanner? He holds no MMA titles. A title hungry former champion does not need to sweat a 2-1-1 nobody (a self-admitted nobody) in MMA. Tim Sylvia already fights guys like that in the UFC. Telligman and Silva were better as a challenge than Lebanner, and they have decent MMA records. But, Tim goes to the IFc and SB and fights 4-2 or 8-7 opponents a lot. He needs to stay focused on the UFC HW title and worry about people like Lebanner a few years from now when Lebanner has some salt.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 02:43 PM

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Yay. Sub g is digging a hole again! Always a good time.

If Sylvia didn't want this fight than he wouldn't have responded. No use in whining about how Jerome doesn't "deserve" to fight him. If this happens soon I will be more than happy because I'll get to see Tim get knocked out.

So, using post-structuralist deconstructive analytical theoy, the contradiction of responding that he does not want the fight means that he wants the fight? Tim Sylvia did not say, "Bring on Lebanner, I will fight him." He did say that the challenge was an insult. He is loud and draws a crowd, so his simply responding does not mean he wants the fight. What it does mean is press coverage for Tim Sylvia nd the AA fight coming up soon...

angryjonny · 02-12-2006, 02:47 PM

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So, using post-structuralist deconstructive analytical theoy, the contradiction of responding that he does not want the fight means that he wants the fight? Tim Sylvia did not say, "Bring on Lebanner, I will fight him." He did say that the challenge was an insult. He is loud and draws a crowd, so his simply responding does not mean he wants the fight. What it does mean is press coverage for Tim Sylvia nd the AA fight coming up soon...

So did you not read the part where Tim came back and said come to the UFC, and the MMAweekly article where it said LeBanner accepts Sylvia's challenge? Jerome said now it's up to Dana to give him the invite? You did read that part right? Do you understand it clearly?

[Danny] · 02-12-2006, 02:55 PM

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Did you know the reason pride is so big is because of the wrestling company owned by DSE. The first pride event actually cost DSE a good deal of money.

And when it 90+ percent it not just about having a big name. Most of the people in that poll really know what they are talking about.

My friend in the UK who is really really into the "puro-wrestling" scene in Japan told me that New Japan, NOAH, and All Japan wrestling prmotions are dying because of Pride and K-1.

Hustle, which DSE owns, is a speck compared to those three. Hustle also came around after Pride I believe in 2001.

It's only a matter of time Nate said, huge wrestling mark, that the pro-wrestling scene in Japan dies from shoot-fighting.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

So did you not read the part where Tim came back and said come to the UFC, and the MMAweekly article where it said LeBanner accepts Sylvia's challenge? Jerome said now it's up to Dana to give him the invite? You did read that part right? Do you understand it clearly?

I saw you write: "Hopefully Tim accepts it."

Maybe you misunderstood Tim Sylvia.

It all depends on Dana White. If he brings Lebanner to the UFC, then the fight could happen. I doubt that White will toss Lebanner in with Sylvia during the first year of Lebanner being in the UFC -- especially if (or when) Lebanner gets beat by the lower level UFC fighters. That is pretty much what I understood Tim Sylvia to be saying. If Dana White did make this match the first debut match for Lebanner, I promise you that Sylvia will not turn it down.

Why worry about the wolves outside your fences, when the wolves inside are much more dangerous?

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 03:17 PM

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My friend in the UK who is really really into the "puro-wrestling" scene in Japan told me that New Japan, NOAH, and All Japan wrestling prmotions are dying because of Pride and K-1.

Hustle, which DSE owns, is a speck compared to those three. Hustle also came around after Pride I believe in 2001.

It's only a matter of time Nate said, huge wrestling mark, that the pro-wrestling scene in Japan dies from shoot-fighting.

That would be interesting. Pro-wrestling has been a cultural phenomenon in Japan for close to fifty years now. Anyone that has followed PW history knows that the cycle of success is an up-and-down cycle. The success of the 80s and 90s was incredible. But, for a pseudo-sport, it has lasted a 100 years and more. A few decades of failure here and there has not eliminated it...

Also, a friend of mine tells me that a lot of WWE money and support goes into Japanese and Mexican wrestling... So, All-Japan may not do well, but I am betting it will not disappear forever... Japanese fans have long memories, and they recall what Antonio Inoki and Funaki have done for both PW and MMA.

angryjonny · 02-12-2006, 03:50 PM

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I saw you write: "Hopefully Tim accepts it."

Maybe you misunderstood Tim Sylvia.

It all depends on Dana White. If he brings Lebanner to the UFC, then the fight could happen. I doubt that White will toss Lebanner in with Sylvia during the first year of Lebanner being in the UFC -- especially if (or when) Lebanner gets beat by the lower level UFC fighters. That is pretty much what I understood Tim Sylvia to be saying. If Dana White did make this match the first debut match for Lebanner, I promise you that Sylvia will not turn it down.

Why worry about the wolves outside your fences, when the wolves inside are much more dangerous?

I think I wrote that before I had saw the retort from Tim and then Jerome's accepting his challenge of just coming to UFC. It went like this Jerome challenged Tim to one K1 fight and one UFC fight, Tim said no he needs to come to the UFC, Jerome said okay it's up to the UFC to set it up now. Either way I'm just excited that more has come of this than before. I want to see Tim get destroyed and would love for it to be Jerome, who Tim called a nobody, a bitch and other names, and insulted him all because he just wanted to fight him. I don't know if I would promise that Tim wouldn't turn down the fight (the actual signing of the contract) He got cold feet against Sergei last year I think it was, he is not all he talks himself up to be, says he will fight anyone blah blah blah. He's a legitamate can crusher and nothing more (that is unless he's on steroids).