Jerome LeBanner challenges Sylvia

Jras0001 · 02-12-2006, 03:52 PM

seeing how some people here cant seperate a fighters record with what they are able to do, or have done, makes arguing this point, well, pointless...

lebanner is more talented and a better fighter than tim sylvia, hands down. just because he hasnt been fighting in the mma arena doesnt make this untrue.

as a person, i think tim is a duche bag and seems to be racist (his comments on the french and lebanner's name) and i cant stand him. as a fighter, if he were to beat lebanner, that would show that he is deserving of the "top 10" rating hes been wearing around.

another thing, if someone is going to talk that much trash and be that disrespectful to someone that issued an honest and upfront challenge to fight, in either mma or k-1 or both, should either back up their words big time or step aside. after that much trash talking and he doesnt take this fight, even if it is after he fights AA, then his marketability will go down and he will look like a bitch to everyone.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

I think I wrote that before I had saw the retort from Tim and then Jerome's accepting his challenge of just coming to UFC. It went like this Jerome challenged Tim to one K1 fight and one UFC fight, Tim said no he needs to come to the UFC, Jerome said okay it's up to the UFC to set it up now. Either way I'm just excited that more has come of this than before. I want to see Tim get destroyed and would love for it to be Jerome, who Tim called a nobody, a bitch and other names, and insulted him all because he just wanted to fight him. I don't know if I would promise that Tim wouldn't turn down the fight (the actual signing of the contract) He got cold feet against Sergei last year I think it was, he is not all he talks himself up to be, says he will fight anyone blah blah blah. He's a legitamate can crusher and nothing more (that is unless he's on steroids).

True, a promise was a bold statement. I just think that Sylvia sees Lebanner as a can. That is why I feel that if Dana White went all the way and signed Lebanner then Sylvia would not turn it down. Sergie may have seemed like a tougher opponent...

I will say this, I am not a huge fan of Tim Sylvia either. I do respect his record, and his former HW champion status. I seriously do not see him defeating AA. Arlovski-Sylvia 2 will likely end just like the first match. I just think that Tim Sylvia only losing to the top level of talent says a lot for him. He may not be able to beat the best, but he has beat the rest.

Lebanner has not yet proven himself to be among the best in MMA. He could just as easily go 2-10-1 as he might go 10-1-1. We don't know yet. He has only four MMA matches to judge from, and they are unimpressive.

Compare Lebanner to Lyoto, who is a six-match phenomenon. Why? Six matches is not a lot... It is because he has faced at least three top level opponents (most especially Franklin and Penn, with Bonnar and MacDonald in the mix). If Lebanner were to do that well in his next three or four fights, then I would change my view...

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jras0001

seeing how some people here cant seperate a fighters record with what they are able to do, or have done, makes arguing this point, well, pointless...

It is all supposition. So, your point is useless and does not move the discussion either way...

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Originally Posted by Jras0001

lebanner is more talented and a better fighter than tim sylvia, hands down. just because he hasnt been fighting in the mma arena doesnt make this untrue.

Unproven, unsubstantiated... no record to back it up whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Jras0001

as a person, i think tim is a duche bag and seems to be racist (his comments on the french and lebanner's name) and i cant stand him. as a fighter, if he were to beat lebanner, that would show that he is deserving of the "top 10" rating hes been wearing around.

The French are not a race. Beating Lebanner would only prove that Lebanner is a nobody, which we all already know and he himself has admitted in his own commentary on the issue. Lebanner is clearly NOT a top ten contender in the UFC, PFC, or even in K-1 Heroes.

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Originally Posted by Jras0001

another thing, if someone is going to talk that much trash and be that disrespectful to someone that issued an honest and upfront challenge to fight, in either mma or k-1 or both, should either back up their words big time or step aside. after that much trash talking and he doesnt take this fight, even if it is after he fights AA, then his marketability will go down and he will look like a bitch to everyone.

Tim Sylvia has BIGGER fish to fry -- namely one WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION named Andrei "The Pitbull" Arlovski. And, if you are right about the marketability, then Sylvia will NEVER take the fight. What fighter would ruin his career like that?

Jras0001 · 02-12-2006, 04:14 PM

i never stated the french were a race, and your inference that i did is offbased.

and like i stated, just because he hasnt been fighting in the mma arena doesnt make lebanner a nobody and a poor fighter...

looking at tims fights and looking at lebanners fights, tim is the weaker of the two.

and i still hold to my first statement of my previous post.....

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jras0001

i never stated the french were a race, and your inference that i did is offbased.

and like i stated, just because he hasnt been fighting in the mma arena doesnt make lebanner a nobody and a poor fighter...

looking at tims fights and looking at lebanners fights, tim is the weaker of the two.

and i still hold to my first statement of my previous post.....

You called him a racist. A person is not a racist if they hate the French. I know people all over America that are far less than fond of the French. And, I am part French-Canadian. I did not see it as racist.

Tim, with 22 fights and a 10:1 MMA win ratio makes him the weaker fighter? He has a .909 winning percentage in his career. Let's see, Lebanner has 4 fights, a 2:1.5 MMA win ratio, and a .500 winning percentage in MMA. Sylvia is a world away from Lebanner...

I will hold to my first statement of my previous post...

Lebanner is a nobody in MMA from a baby promotion who has never won or even contended for a title in MMA. Tim Sylvia is a winning competitor at the championship level of (argueably) the best MMA promotion on earth (IMO).

[Danny] · 02-12-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

. . . Lebanner is a nobody in MMA from a baby promotion who has never won or even contended for a title in MMA. Tim Sylvia is a winning competitor at the championship level of (argueably) the best MMA promotion on earth (IMO).

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You know what, I was planning on arguing the point but I don't need to. If you think that Arlovski is the world heavyweight champion and that UFC is the best MMA promotion in the wolrd. No need at all.

What if Jermain Taylor wanted to fight Hughes? What about Rulon Gardner? Say, Tyson wanted to fight Arlovski. Would you totally disregarded their previous doings in other fight sports?

All I got to say about you think he's a nobody in MMA. Remember what people said about a little man named Mirko Crocop when he started MMA. Look at him now, an arguable legend.

Another thing about Timmy. After his comments on Fedor, DSE threw at him Sergei and Mirko. He didn't take the fights. Tim is a ***** and a **** fighter who is only here because of his size and reach. I'll never have respect for him and I hope to god that his fight with LeBanner happens.

Let's see who Timmy has fought also with his "awesome" record. The only fight he won that is impressive is against a unfocused Ricco. Other than that he's lost to anybody he's fought that is good. Those others are Mir and Arlovski.

In the world of fight sports, Sylvia and LeBanner shouldn't be mentioned in teh same sentance on acomplishments. /end thread

angryjonny · 02-12-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

You called him a racist. A person is not a racist if they hate the French. I know people all over America that are far less than fond of the French. And, I am part French-Canadian. I did not see it as racist.

Tim, with 22 fights and a 10:1 MMA win ratio makes him the weaker fighter? He has a .909 winning percentage in his career. Let's see, Lebanner has 4 fights, a 2:1.5 MMA win ratio, and a .500 winning percentage in MMA. Sylvia is a world away from Lebanner...

I will hold to my first statement of my previous post...

Lebanner is a nobody in MMA from a baby promotion who has never won or even contended for a title in MMA. Tim Sylvia is a winning competitor at the championship level of (argueably) the best MMA promotion on earth (IMO).

Sylvia is 20-2 and Andrei is 9-3. So by your theory Tim is better and Andrei is a world away from Tim??? C'mon sub, you should know that MMA math is stupid. Or do you?

And I think you know what jras was talking about. Racist wasn't the best choice of words. Bigot is more fitting though.

AikaImmortal · 02-12-2006, 05:31 PM

Or xenophobe. This is the second of many times you have disregarded k-1 as a baby promotion, not realizing they are the largest promotion in the WORLD and all that mess. I am done arguing this.. talking to a brick wall is a waste of quality time.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 02-12-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Sylvia is 20-2 and Andrei is 9-3. So by your theory Tim is better and Andrei is a world away from Tim??? C'mon sub, you should know that MMA math is stupid. Or do you?

And I think you know what jras was talking about. Racist wasn't the best choice of words. Bigot is more fitting though.

you are angry! you get into it with everyone all the time lol...
saying the UFC champ is the best in the world obviously is a stretch, the only thing i can say is no one knows until they got a chance to fight a pride guy... beyond that though jermaine taylor and guys like that just would be lost in MMA IMO.. jerome is not a nobody, hes a great kickboxer and would cream i think anyone basically in a K1 type fight thats in UFC or probably pride even... put him in a ufc or pride fight though and its totally different... anyone who actually fights and is a standup fighter can attest to how hard it is to get into ground skills after always just kicking and punching... i know he trains supposedly with ground guys but till i see it i wouldnt believe any of his skill on the ground OR in MMA

Jras0001 · 02-12-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Sylvia is 20-2 and Andrei is 9-3. So by your theory Tim is better and Andrei is a world away from Tim??? C'mon sub, you should know that MMA math is stupid. Or do you?

And I think you know what jras was talking about. Racist wasn't the best choice of words. Bigot is more fitting though.

yes, bigot is a better word than racist, but the words are very similar so either one works for me...

the fact is that lebanner is a proven and worthy opponent and his challenging tim to a fight was by no means disrespectful or uncalled for. just because he doesnt have a record that meets subgenius' approval doesnt mean he doesnt deserve to fight a fighter such as tim sylvia. that argument goes both ways also, some could say that since tim doesnt have a k-1 record that he doesnt deserve to be in the ring with lebanner under any circumstances, but no one is making that argument at all. why? because its irrelevant. if lebanner comes into the ufc on his own and not with a challenge to someone, then yes, he should have to prove himself and fight up the ranks. however, thats not the case, he made an open and fair challenge to a specific fighter and said that he was willing to fight under the ufc rules and in the octagon, since thats how tim said it would have to be.

IMO i think that lebanner would / will KO tim without too much trouble. should it go to the ground, then we will see who has the skill to pull it out....

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by [Danny]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You know what, I was planning on arguing the point but I don't need to. If you think that Arlovski is the world heavyweight champion and that UFC is the best MMA promotion in the wolrd. No need at all.

I cannot believe that anyone would try to say that AA is NOT the HW champion when he so clearly, obviously, and FACTUALLY, holds the UFC HW title... How could you dare contest that? It is a historical fact.

What I think is the best MMA promotion is my opinion. I could care less if you agree with that...

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by [Danny]

All I got to say about you think he's a nobody in MMA. Remember what people said about a little man named Mirko Crocop when he started MMA. Look at him now, an arguable legend.

Lebanner is a nobody in MMA. Who has he fought? What has he accomplished? What titles has he held? He is an unproven and untested MMA fighter.

Why is Mirko being dragged into this? Are you comparing Lebanner to Mirko now?

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Sylvia is 20-2 and Andrei is 9-3. So by your theory Tim is better and Andrei is a world away from Tim??? C'mon sub, you should know that MMA math is stupid. Or do you?

And I think you know what jras was talking about. Racist wasn't the best choice of words. Bigot is more fitting though.

I never said that. You said that. I am comparing this Lebanner chump to a former UFC champ -- Tim Sylvia. Comparing Andrei Alrovski and Tim Sylvia is a whole different discussion. You do know that AA holds a world title, right?

AikaImmortal · 02-12-2006, 06:36 PM

How is an ISKA WORLD SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT MUAY THAI CHAMPION a chump?

GSPALLTHEWAY · 02-12-2006, 06:39 PM

who cares if he made a specific challenge... he cant just say i want to fight the #1 contender when he hasnt ever fought in an MMA style fight before like that... he can fight eilers then maybe tim after he probably loses to AA.... what gives him that right, kickboxing matches are NOT the same....

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

How is an ISKA WORLD SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT MUAY THAI CHAMPION a chump?

Is that MMA? I am discussing MMA. Not KB or MT. We have all seen great champions in other sports fall flat in MMA...

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

who cares if he made a specific challenge... he cant just say i want to fight the #1 contender when he hasnt ever fought in an MMA style fight before like that... he can fight eilers then maybe tim after he probably loses to AA.... what gives him that right, kickboxing matches are NOT the same....

That is right. I agree 100%. To me it seems obvious.

Billdolfski · 02-12-2006, 06:52 PM

He has fought MMA before. Also, his status, regardless if you are aware of it or not "allows" him to call out the number one contender (if you really think that he is, we'll talk about that after the fight...).

LeBanner is dangerous. Trust me, I've seen him fight. Sylvia doesn't have as gross of a size advantage over him either.

Ask Mirko what he thinks of LeBanner.

glockmn · 02-12-2006, 06:55 PM

the way alot of you guys are talking is that this guy can't come close to Tim so where is the disrespect if that was the case I would respect him more for trying a better fighter if Tim knew he could win he would fight him under any rules( the way he said he would fight TIM) if he is a nobody then way is it a big deal he said he would fight Tim after he fought AA and Tim thinks he is going to be champ so it would be a easy win right....

Tim is worried because he thinks he is going to beat AA and lose to a man with a 2-1-1 records in MMA

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Billdolfski

He has fought MMA before. Also, his status, regardless if you are aware of it or not "allows" him to call out the number one contender (if you really think that he is, we'll talk about that after the fight...).

What "status"?

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Originally Posted by Billdolfski

LeBanner is dangerous. Trust me, I've seen him fight. Sylvia doesn't have as gross of a size advantage over him either.

Ask Mirko what he thinks of LeBanner.

Mirko beat Le Banner (that is the proper way his name is written, BTW) in KB by unanimous decision in 1996. That was the only time that they fought. I would think that Mark Hunt knows Le Banner better than Mirko. Hunt went 1-3 against Le Banner in KB. However, I bet that Hunt would crush Le Banner in MMA. And, Mirko would as well, IMO.