Jerome LeBanner challenges Sylvia

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by glockmn

the way alot of you guys are talking is that this guy can't come close to Tim so where is the disrespect if that was the case I would respect him more for trying a better fighter if Tim knew he could win he would fight him under any rules( the way he said he would fight TIM) if he is a nobody then way is it a big deal he said he would fight Tim after he fought AA and Tim thinks he is going to be champ so it would be a easy win right....

Tim is worried because he thinks he is going to beat AA and lose to a man with a 2-1-1 records in MMA

If Tim Sylvia beats AA, then you will not see a Le Banner match with Sylvia any time within the next year...

glockmn · 02-12-2006, 07:06 PM

ok we are talking about Tim not Mirko or Hunt!!!!

AikaImmortal · 02-12-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Is that MMA? I am discussing MMA. Not KB or MT. We have all seen great champions in other sports fall flat in MMA...

Do you not have any idea of inferred logic? I am saying that he has skills and shouldnt be overlooked, in many ways muay thai is harder on the body than mma ever will be and to be a muay thai champion demands respect. Stop drinking antifreeze and relax a bit.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by glockmn

ok we are talking about Tim not Mirko or Hunt!!!!

Hey, I didn't invite Mirko and Hunt into this... But, since someone opened the door, then we might as well look into who Le Banner has fought in K-1 KB. God knows we cannot judge anything from a weak 2-1-1 MMA record...

glockmn · 02-12-2006, 07:12 PM

have you ever competed in any combat sports?

if you have then you would know that a record is just a # it don't mean ****

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

Do you not have any idea of inferred logic? I am saying that he has skills and shouldnt be overlooked, in many ways muay thai is harder on the body than mma ever will be and to be a muay thai champion demands respect. Stop drinking antifreeze and relax a bit.

That may be true, but look what happened to Kit Cope. He was 22-1 and the MTIA champion... He got owned by KenFlo. In fact, Cope is 1-3 in MMA.

Cope's bio described him as "...explosive. Extremely well trained and gifted as an athlete. Kit brings electricity to the Muay Thai ring. With his stupdenous combinations and exciting power shots coupled with his unique brand of showmanship make Kit a great fighter to watch."

This is my point... being a great KB fighter or a great MT fighter does not instantly translate into being a great MMA fighter...

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by glockmn

have you ever competed in any combat sports?

if you have then you would know that a record is just a # it don't mean ****

Really... So, Fedor's dominant record means nothing? No records mean anything? They are totally meaningless?

Hmm, I wonder why they even bother to record the wins and losses...

glockmn · 02-12-2006, 07:15 PM

and Kenflo is a black belt in bjj and Tim does what on the ground???????????

oh yeah gets subed!!

AikaImmortal · 02-12-2006, 07:15 PM

I see your point but I dont agree with it

Jras0001 · 02-12-2006, 07:52 PM

haha, ive never seen so many people beating a dead horse before...

anyway....ive stated my opinion. some agree, some dont, a few are out in left field.

if this fight were to happen, and i so hope it does, i believe that Le Banner (happy sub, correct written form?) would beat tim senseless. in fact, if this fight takes place, i think ill actually spring for the airfare and tickets and go see it myself.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jras0001

haha, ive never seen so many people beating a dead horse before...

anyway....ive stated my opinion. some agree, some dont, a few are out in left field.

if this fight were to happen, and i so hope it does, i believe that Le Banner (happy sub, correct written form?) would beat tim senseless. in fact, if this fight takes place, i think ill actually spring for the airfare and tickets and go see it myself.

This is what I love about the FF. We all come from different places and backgrounds and have diverse opinions. I won't say that your opinion is wrong, but I am free to disagree... We all are... We are discussing subjective topics with no answers outside of our own opinions. I enjoy heated debates sans the name calling or mean spirited words, but that is fairly rare around here.

Oh, the Le Banner name thing is because I am half French (and half Lithuanian, LOL -- sometimes I think the better half is Lith). The Crow's name is often mis-represented as well... Like Loiseau when it should be L'Oiseau. The Frenchies have some wierd ways of writting names...

Jerome Le Banner is Jerome "the" Banner, which is likely an occupation or a place in France somewhere. L'Oiseau literally mean "the bird"... the "le" part is contracted to l'oiseau and it means "the" -- the oiseau word is the part that means "bird." My French is not as good as my Spanish believe it or not, and so "oiseau" might be a more direct reference to a crow... But, I don't think so...

AikaImmortal · 02-12-2006, 08:33 PM

Yeah, and we can argue until the sun melts the earth and still remain on good terms and not go off and 'hate' people because they dont agree.. sure we give each other hard times from time to time but its nothing like on other forums.

angryjonny · 02-12-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by glockmn

and Kenflo is a black belt in bjj and Tim does what on the ground???????????

oh yeah gets subed!!

Exactly. That's why Kenny was able to beat Kit. It's not like he outstruck Cope. He took him down because he knew he could beat him there. Anyone that thinks Tim has more than one dimension is grossly misinformed. Jerome is obviously a better striker. All you have to do is watch him fight. It's not like Jerome would be out of his element fighting Tim. It's right up his alley and he's better at it than Tim.

I don't see why anyone is even upset about this happening. Other than maybe a UFC nuthugger afraid that a "nobody" is actually better than a UFC fighter? God forbid! This fight would be very exciting and almost guranteed to end in a highlight worthy KO. Who wouldn't want that?

[Danny] · 02-12-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I cannot believe that anyone would try to say that AA is NOT the HW champion when he so clearly, obviously, and FACTUALLY, holds the UFC HW title... How could you dare contest that? It is a historical fact.

What I think is the best MMA promotion is my opinion. I could care less if you agree with that...

Because there is a man named Fedor who holds that claim and a GP and a Heavyweight Championship to back it up and has beaten a lot of top ten talent. Arlovski can't say that. Arlovski has beaten arguable top ten guys in Alyvia and Buentello.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by [Danny]

Because there is a man named Fedor who holds that claim and a GP and a Heavyweight Championship to back it up and has beaten a lot of top ten talent. Arlovski can't say that. Arlovski has beaten arguable top ten guys in Alyvia and Buentello.

Okay, I think that I misunderstood what you said -- sorry. I thought that you meant that AA was not the HW champion when he is the UFC HW champ. I think that you are saying that Fedor is the superior HW champion. THAT is something that I will not argue. I absolutely love AA, but I love Fedor that much more. I call him the Man-Monster Fedor because I think that Fedor is the ultimate -- the pinnacle-- or MMA (at least at the HW level). I want to have Fedor's baby! J/K

If I were ever in a Twilight Zone and was forced to pick an MMA fighter that I had to be, then I would be Fedor. I know that sounds wierd, but to me Fedor is everything a MMA fighter ought to be -- classy, stylish, confident without being arrogant, highly skilled, a true sportsman, and he loves kids. I almost want to ask if his catch phrase is "Say your prayers, eat your vitamins, and love your mother" LOL.

Unknown · 02-12-2006, 09:13 PM

This will be one of my last dicussion posts for some time. Subgenius by your argument, Cruz didn't deserve to fight Mir. Hunt didn't deserve to fight Cro Cop. There is no need to prove yourself in MMA if you already are a great fighter in another serious combat sport. If Tim thinks really is willing to fight anyone in the octagon he should be fine with fighting JLB after his gets owned by AA.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Exactly. That's why Kenny was able to beat Kit. It's not like he outstruck Cope. He took him down because he knew he could beat him there. Anyone that thinks Tim has more than one dimension is grossly misinformed. Jerome is obviously a better striker. All you have to do is watch him fight. It's not like Jerome would be out of his element fighting Tim. It's right up his alley and he's better at it than Tim.

I don't see why anyone is even upset about this happening. Other than maybe a UFC nuthugger afraid that a "nobody" is actually better than a UFC fighter? God forbid! This fight would be very exciting and almost guranteed to end in a highlight worthy KO. Who wouldn't want that?

I agree that Tim Sylvia seems one-dimensional. Seems? Heel, he is from what I have seen. And, Le Banner may even be able to dominate Sylvia. My main issue, which I think is the thrust of Sylvia's as well, is that I think that Le Banner is not yet worthy of a shot at a Sylvia level fighter. I think that he needs some more fights -- at least five more. Otherwise, anyone could come in and challenge a former champion and then accuse him of being chicken for not taking the challenge.

Le Banner said himself that he is a nobody in the US. I am not afraid to put UFC fighters against PFC or K-1H fighters -- Dana White is the one that thinks that way, IMO. I want to see cross promotional events. I want to see AA versus Fedor, Liddell versus Wanderlei and many others. I do NOT want see AA fighting the lowest level PFC fighters. That is unworthy of his status.

I think that is the heart of my displeasure with Le Banner's challenge. IMO, the champions and former champions hold an important and high level status in this sport and in most any sport (outside of perhaps team sports like the NFL where a new champ is crowned each year).

A nobody (IMO) in MMA is someone that has never held a title or never even contended for one... someone with only a few fights, and half of them losses or draws. Essentially a n00b to MMA. That is what I think of when I think about Le Banner. Did the SamBo titles that Fedor and AA won before MMA make them instant title contenders or gain them shots at former champions? Fedor was 5-1 when he fought Babalu and beat him and then went on to 20 straight wins and a title. Bablu was 16-2 when he lost to Fedor.

That is why I think Le Banner needs more fights... at least three more fights before challenging people like a Tim Sylvia. If Le Banner were now 5-1-1, then I would not likely be so bothered by this match up...

A somebody (IMO) in MMA is a fighter that has experience and some time in the sport -- like say five matches that are all wins. A somebody in MMA is a fighter that has held a title or contended for one. And, without any title experience, it helps to have beaten great fighters (like Lyoto has done with his six fights). but, some fighters go more than 20 fights without fighting a top talent. Diego Sanchez is 16-0 and gets no respect. Why does a 2-1-1 fighter get respect when a 16-0 fighter cannot?

angryjonny · 02-12-2006, 09:35 PM

I did read your post and I can see where you are coming from but think about it. It's been UFC's way for a long time to do the polar opposite of how you think. How many fights did Tim have before he fought Ricco for the title? Was Eilers worthy of a shot against Andrei? Did Zulu deserve a fight against Fedor? The list can go on and on. It's not about being worthy of a shot at anyone anymore.

One thing I want if this fight were to happen is to show that Tim is not worthy of the praise he receives. He is just big and hits hard.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown

This will be one of my last dicussion posts for some time. Subgenius by your argument, Cruz didn't deserve to fight Mir. Hunt didn't deserve to fight Cro Cop. There is no need to prove yourself in MMA if you already are a great fighter in another serious combat sport. If Tim thinks really is willing to fight anyone in the octagon he should be fine with fighting JLB after his gets owned by AA.

Well, Cruz does prove me wrong -- and he did it well. I think everyone thought that was a tune-up fight. But, Mir was not the Mir we knew. I still have to wonder, would Mir have lost that fight had the accident never happened? Or, would that match have ever been made had there been no accident? I don't think it would have. Hunt has fought tough fighters in each of his fights. At 2-1, I thought for sure that Mirko would paste him. I was wrong... I am not always right.

Seriously, I think this is all tied into my dislike with the way that MMA structures its top ten and its match selections. I know I will cathc hell for this, but MMA seems as mixed up about is top ten and number one contenders as the WWE is... The UFC and PRIDE do not even list their top ten at the websites. Tim Sylvia is fighting AA, but many people keep telling me that he is NOT the number one contender... THAT is screwed up, IMO.

subgenius · 02-12-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

I did read your post and I can see where you are coming from but think about it. It's been UFC's way for a long time to do the polar opposite of how you think. How many fights did Tim have before he fought Ricco for the title? Was Eilers worthy of a shot against Andrei? Did Zulu deserve a fight against Fedor? The list can go on and on. It's not about being worthy of a shot at anyone anymore.

One thing I want if this fight were to happen is to show that Tim is not worthy of the praise he receives. He is just big and hits hard.

I agree... And, I do not like that aspect of MMA. I want it to be about being worthy of the shots handed out. I do not like the ambiguous nature of the title shots and the match making. Some matches are dead bang perfect, but others make no sense.