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tonster · 03-05-2006, 01:37 AM

There's really no point to take liddell down, cuz he said it himself that he will just pop back up while taking all the punishment and horn doesn't have the ko power to down liddell as he is getting up. You need a decent standup with good ground and pound aka Randy Couture in his prime to beat Chuck, but too bad randy is retired now.

Crashsti · 03-05-2006, 06:26 AM

the fights in the UFC are not and have never been fixed. i won't say that there has never been selective match-making. Chuck Liddell talked about this in an interview once. he says that in one of his earlier fights before Zuffa bought the UFC name that UFC execs once told him not to takedown his opponent. that he'd better keep the fight standing if he wanted future fights. they wanted to give Chuck's opponent the best possible chance at winning. of course Chuck gladly agreed and KO'd his opponent. Chuck went on to say that he found it funny that the old UFC execs had no clue about Chuck or his abilities, basing thier order on Chuck's wrestling background without considering that he could maybe also strike. anyhow, Chuck likes the new UFC and Zuffa alot better than the old. if its good enough for Chuck its good enough for me.

mikedifr · 03-05-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

the fights in the UFC are not and have never been fixed. i won't say that there has never been selective match-making. Chuck Liddell talked about this in an interview once. he says that in one of his earlier fights before Zuffa bought the UFC name that UFC execs once told him not to takedown his opponent. that he'd better keep the fight standing if he wanted future fights. they wanted to give Chuck's opponent the best possible chance at winning. of course Chuck gladly agreed and KO'd his opponent. Chuck went on to say that he found it funny that the old UFC execs had no clue about Chuck or his abilities, basing thier order on Chuck's wrestling background without considering that he could maybe also strike. anyhow, Chuck likes the new UFC and Zuffa alot better than the old. if its good enough for Chuck its good enough for me.

Of course he does. He is a big star and they couldnt find anyone that could challenge him other than Couture

Arcadiandj · 03-05-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

the fights in the UFC are not and have never been fixed. i won't say that there has never been selective match-making. Chuck Liddell talked about this in an interview once. he says that in one of his earlier fights before Zuffa bought the UFC name that UFC execs once told him not to takedown his opponent. that he'd better keep the fight standing if he wanted future fights. they wanted to give Chuck's opponent the best possible chance at winning. of course Chuck gladly agreed and KO'd his opponent. Chuck went on to say that he found it funny that the old UFC execs had no clue about Chuck or his abilities, basing thier order on Chuck's wrestling background without considering that he could maybe also strike. anyhow, Chuck likes the new UFC and Zuffa alot better than the old. if its good enough for Chuck its good enough for me.

This is probably what I'm picking up on, and you could argue this is an example of "fixing."

In any case, I appreciate everyone's input. It has been educational, and at this point I would conclude that my impressions are inaccurate.

Cheers.

angryjonny · 03-05-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

the fights in the UFC are not and have never been fixed. i won't say that there has never been selective match-making. Chuck Liddell talked about this in an interview once. he says that in one of his earlier fights before Zuffa bought the UFC name that UFC execs once told him not to takedown his opponent. that he'd better keep the fight standing if he wanted future fights. they wanted to give Chuck's opponent the best possible chance at winning. of course Chuck gladly agreed and KO'd his opponent. Chuck went on to say that he found it funny that the old UFC execs had no clue about Chuck or his abilities, basing thier order on Chuck's wrestling background without considering that he could maybe also strike. anyhow, Chuck likes the new UFC and Zuffa alot better than the old. if its good enough for Chuck its good enough for me.

Sure they have had fixed fights. Anthony Macias and Oleg Taktarov worked a fight. Don Frye and Mark Hall did as well. Doesn't really matter though. It's just that some people think this is such a ludicrous idea that fights would actually be worked. There's a lot of speculation about quite a few fights out there. There is also a difference between throwing a fight and fixing. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens even today.

Ajw · 03-05-2006, 07:38 PM

I have never really thought they were fixed but during UFC 57 during the Babalu and Van Arsdale fight I thought something was up. At the end when Babalu chokes out Van Arsdale Babalu doesnt have his arm under the chin of Arsdale but Van Arsdale pulls Babalus arm under his own chin. I'm not saying it was fixed or anything I just thought it was weird.

[Danny] · 03-05-2006, 07:49 PM

I just don't see why, during the most improved period in the UFC's history, they would start doing works. That's why they don't and it definatly didn't become popular again at their first MMA event on national television.

SWIBC · 03-05-2006, 08:49 PM

only fixed type match was the result from the Rutten/Randleman match (21 or so)
This has been debated before but seemed obvious Bas was going to be the winner.
But to say fights are fixed now to me seems ludicrous.

Crashsti · 03-06-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SWIBC

only fixed type match was the result from the Rutten/Randleman match (21 or so)
This has been debated before but seemed obvious Bas was going to be the winner.
But to say fights are fixed now to me seems ludicrous.

Bas talks about this in an interview on his Big DVDs of Combat. he agrees 100% that Randleman took the first round but that after he hit Kevin in the liver it was enough to win the fight. Kevin stated in an interview that after the shot to the liver he really did'nt do anything either. Bas also talked about the training before the fight. he said that he had been dumped on his head and suffered a neck injury that did'nt allow him to train on the ground at all prior to the Randleman match.