I strongly believe some fights in the UFC are fixed... - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

Arcadiandj · 03-04-2006, 11:52 AM

I'm a newbie here, so maybe I'm beating a dead horse. However, I've been a fan since the beginning but two more recent fights have made me STRONGLY question the legitimacy of the organization.

My first suspicions came when Frank Shamrock fought Rich Franklin. Shortly before he gets pummled by Franklin and the ref stops the fight, Shamrock falls to the mat. When he falls, he looks like a school girl losing her balance.

What makes me think the fight was fixed, was how Joe Rogan called the fight. Specifically, he speaks as if such a dramatic event has occured, when what it looked like was a very poor acting job. In short, I believe the fight was staged at the end of the first season of the UFC reality show, and they needed some big names to fight, so they staged the fight. Perhaps some weak arguments, but if you watch the fight, you'll see what I mean.

What solidified my belief, was the fight I most recently watched between Jeremy Horn and Chuck Liddel. Horn, who is a grappling specialist, never tries to take Liddel to the mat (as I recall). He simply tries to stand up with him for the entire fight-suicide. Two things during this fight made me VERY suspicious. First, big John Mcarthy very quickly stands Horn up after the several times he is knocked down-leading the poor lamb to the slaughter. Second, again, Joe Rogan is calling the fight as if it's very dramatic. He will often criticise fighters for making stupid mistakes, but he never once criticises Horn for trying to stand up with Liddel.

So, I think we have very questionable events taking place during fights with the announcers dramatizing the events. Also, in the most recent fight I watched, the ref even seems to be acting strangely.

Watch the fights for yourself and see what you think.

RebLMunkE · 03-04-2006, 12:01 PM

LoL for the first one its called a slip bub..............and it was Ken Shamrock not Frank.

Ken slipped trying to kick rich in the head then got rocked and if you saw his face after the fight you should know it was not faked. The Ref stopped it for good reason this isn't boxing were you got you brain smashed in.

For the second one........Horn don't get paid enough to stand up with Chuck L. LoL
Plus horn had said before the fight he wanted to stand up and KO Chuck think of what that could have done for a fighter like Horn who is good but hasn't got THERE yet.

He would be rocketed to a star fighter had he done it. Plus Horn tried to go to the ground a few times after getting rocked and Chuck just stood there and made him get up since the Ref will not make the standing fighter go to the ground after a downed fighter the one on the ground is the fighter made to stand up and fight.

[Danny] · 03-04-2006, 12:02 PM

1. It was Ken Shamrock.

2. After stuffing Jeremy's takedowns, Liddell would pull a Mirko "Cro Cop" and tell Horn to get up.

3. If you think Jeremy can't fight standing up, ask Forrest Griffin about his headkick.

4. Neither are works and you're just an MMA conspiracist.

lwbfl · 03-04-2006, 12:04 PM

You ever watched conspiracy theory?

gazbrook · 03-04-2006, 12:05 PM

Controversial first post buddy but I can't blame you for being suspicious. Wherever there' s money involved there's potential for corruption.

I don't however think the Shamrock fight was fixed, I think Ken is too proud to do anything like that.

lwbfl · 03-04-2006, 12:07 PM

Oh, by the way, welcome to the forums!

DirtyChuckRulz! · 03-04-2006, 12:07 PM

if regards to horn and liddel. Chuck was proving a point to horn by punishing him like that. i thought it very wise to make him stand, nobody wants to grapple with horn.

Arcadiandj · 03-04-2006, 12:12 PM

I always get Ken and Frank mixed up. My bad.

Thanks for the input. I am a huge fan and think the sport is the best thing since the internet, but those incidents had me wondering. I do now remember thinking Horn said he was going to stand up with Liddel. I'm also a huge fan of Shamrock and hate to think he'd do anything like that.

I wouldn't say my mind's made up, which is why I posted. I wanted to see what others think.

Again, thanks for the input.

angryjonny · 03-04-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gazbrook

Controversial first post buddy but I can't blame you for being suspicious. Wherever there' s money involved there's potential for corruption.

I don't however think the Shamrock fight was fixed, I think Ken is too proud to do anything like that.

I don't. Remember what his profession was after he left UFC the first time?

[Danny] · 03-04-2006, 12:15 PM

But dude, he sucked at pro-wrestling. He couldn't make a work that decent. lol

SeikanJudanski · 03-04-2006, 12:32 PM

Liddell vs. Horn was not set up.. no way in the world. Horn just had no answer to Chucks stand up, and Chuck wasn´t interested in going to the ground with him. I don´t see how anybody can call that fight fixed just because Horn didn´t make a takedown attempt, he was busy getting stuck with those Hands of Stone.

DirtyChuckRulz! · 03-04-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by [Danny]

But dude, he sucked at pro-wrestling. He couldn't make a work that decent. lol

Oh so true Danny, Oh so true.

Georges4life · 03-04-2006, 12:53 PM

yeah the Rivera vs Leben fight looked prity weerd but i dont think fights are fixed these days, maybe back in the 90's

Master Jones · 03-04-2006, 01:56 PM

It was Ken Shamrock Not Frank! Anyone willing to take 18 shots to the face from Franklin to throw a fight should be put into a mental hospital! As far as Chuck and Horn, "He tried to take him down and couldn't. He even keep falling to the mat hoping Liddell would come down on top of him so he could tie him up. But Chuck is just way to smart for that crap, and didn't fall for it. He just keep standing him up and knocking him down. Your intitle to your opion, and I respect that. However, I think your dead wrong on the matter.

angryjonny · 03-04-2006, 01:59 PM

The thing about this is there is no way to prove it. Either way. So someone that says a match like this looks kind of weird isn't too off base. I'm not saying that it definitely was. It was just weird. And like it's been said nothing corrupts like money does.

Kentified · 03-04-2006, 02:00 PM

Actually towards the ends of the fight Horn was trying to take Liddel down but Chuck has that crazy sprawl and couldn't get him down.

Jras0001 · 03-04-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

I don't. Remember what his profession was after he left UFC the first time?

it wasnt just his profession "after" he left the ufc the first time, ken shamrock was involved with pro wrestling before he ever got into mma fighting. he was involved here in the states and then went to japan and worked in pro wrestling there, after a little while, he joined up with the pancrase fighting. after that im sure everyone knows....

angryjonny · 03-04-2006, 02:50 PM

Yeah but it was his profession after he left UFC the first time.

sitnspin · 03-04-2006, 03:13 PM

There's another huge reason that Horn spent so much of that fight with Chuck trying to stand and strike with him, and no one's mentioned it yet. Who was the last guy to beat Chuck? Uh-huh. And how did he do it? Exactly.

mepersoner · 03-04-2006, 03:20 PM

Horn said he didn't have the takedown skills to take down Liddel, but Liddel has questionable cardio. The gameplan was to stand with Chuck and avoid the big shots until Chuck was tired, then take him down.

Franklin is like what... 15 and 0 at LHW? Shamrock is like 0-5 at that weight... 'nuff said (numbers off the top of my head).