Is Penn going to keep fighting in the UFC? - Page 5 - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

angryjonny · 03-08-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RebLMunkE

I'm going to pretend you didn't just say Diaz could beat Penn...........Did you see how bad he beat on GSP and if he broke his hand or what ever thats probably why he didn't keep pressing like he did in round one.

Riggs would have a punchers chance but most likly lose by SUB. Diego and Diaz would both probably get punched more in one round then they have in their life LoL and get tapped out if it went to the ground.

BJ wouldn't have much trouble with Riggs. Like you said though Riggs would have the punchers chance but BJ doesn't go down very easily. Plus Riggs won't be fighting at WW anymore anyway. BJ would have to move up for it to even be competitive since Joe seems to lack the stamina and, in turn, power from cutting. Diego...well I guess he has...wait no, he'd be taken out quick into the first round.

compcast · 03-08-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Penn is not the fighter that he once was. I do not know that he can find that fighter inside of himself anymore. At this point, I bet Sanchez, Diaz, or Riggs could beat Penn...

you got to be krazy to even think that

subgenius · 03-09-2006, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by compcast

you got to be krazy to even think that

I meant that BJ Penn reached the highest point in MMA as a WW. I got the vibe from watching Penn's interviews that he no longer has that championship drive to excell.

If Penn could NOT put down a wounded and half-blinded GSP, then what makes anyone think that he has anything to offer a Matt Hughes (who is at the TOP of his game)? A perfectly healthy GSP made a simple mistake. Hughes pounced on GSP and beat him with a submission.

All the fighters I mentioned are young eye of the tiger competitors. They are looking up at the best. I'm sorry, but Penn may no longer be up there. Those fighters are looking for a mistake or a lapse. Penn made a ton of mistakes. Penn was not physically ready. You better believe that Diaz and Sanchez come to the octagon in top shape and ready to go the full three rounds. Riggs often may be questionable with his weight issues... But, when he comes ready, then he'll beat the Penn we saw fight GSP.

angryjonny · 03-09-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

If Penn could NOT put down a wounded and half-blinded GSP, then what makes anyone think that he has anything to offer a Matt Hughes (who is at the TOP of his game)?

And Georges could do NOTHING against BJ with a broken hand who did not push him in the second and third and mounted no offense. Does that make Georges nothing as well? Get a new argument. Both of these fighters are a threat to Hughes.

subgenius · 03-09-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

And Georges could do NOTHING against BJ with a broken hand who did not push him in the second and third and mounted no offense. Does that make Georges nothing as well? Get a new argument. Both of these fighters are a threat to Hughes.

Did we watch the same fight? GSP kicked and kneed Penn's legs into mush. You could not see it due to Penn's long trunks. But, Penn was becoming gassed and immobile as the match went on. GSP took Penn down a lot and controled Penn. BJ could not even secure a submission towards the end -- he had no power. GSP beat Penn with leg kicks because GSP knew that Penn lacked conditioning.

I am sorry, but the Penn we saw at the last PPV could not beat the Hughes that we see toady. He would never last more than two rounds. The Hughes of today is much better than the Hughes that Penn fought two years ago. I saw nothing from Penn except a poke in the eye and a grazing shot to the nose that threatened GSP.

If Penn thinks that he can depend on THAT to win a title, then he needs to look up the definition of a scrub (someone who wishes for luck to win in a match). I think that we all know that Penn will not be that lucky in a fight with Hughes or a return match with Penn.

I think that the only interest for Penn in MMA now is the lightweight title that the UFC keeps dangling. Rogan even told Himinick that the LW title division was for certain, for whatever that is worth. I see Penn dropping weight and not fighting at WW anymore...

angryjonny · 03-09-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Did we watch the same fight? GSP kicked and kneed Penn's legs into mush. You could not see it due to Penn's long trunks. But, Penn was becoming gassed and immobile as the match went on. GSP took Penn down a lot and controled Penn. BJ could not even secure a submission towards the end -- he had no power. GSP beat Penn with leg kicks because GSP knew that Penn lacked conditioning.

I am sorry, but the Penn we saw at the last PPV could not beat the Hughes that we see toady. He would never last more than two rounds. The Hughes of today is much better than the Hughes that Penn fought two years ago. I saw nothing from Penn except a poke in the eye and a grazing shot to the nose that threatened GSP.

If Penn thinks that he can depend on THAT to win a title, then he needs to look up the definition of a scrub (someone who wishes for luck to win in a match). I think that we all know that Penn will not be that lucky in a fight with Hughes or a return match with Penn.

I think that the only interest for Penn in MMA now is the lightweight title that the UFC keeps dangling. Rogan even told Himinick that the LW title division was for certain, for whatever that is worth. I see Penn dropping weight and not fighting at WW anymore...

Put two and two together sub. It's not that hard. BJ kicked Georges' ass in the first, like no one has ever done. One broken hand later=no offense for the rest of the fight. Geoges still did nothing. Barely won the split which people are basing off a takedown or two. And no I don't think we "all" know what you assume. Not everyone is failing to see the obvious and blinded by your hate for BJ.

subgenius · 03-09-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Put two and two together sub. It's not that hard. BJ kicked Georges' ass in the first, like no one has ever done. One broken hand later=no offense for the rest of the fight. Geoges still did nothing. Barely won the split which people are basing off a takedown or two. And no I don't think we "all" know what you assume. Not everyone is failing to see the obvious and blinded by your hate for BJ.

I have not yet seen confirmation of any injuries to Penn's hand... He certainly threw a bunch of punchs.

mepersoner · 03-09-2006, 02:19 PM

Penn checked most of the kicks. If you train, you know a checked kick hurts you as much or more than the person you're kicking. They were both kneeing.

Penn tried one sub and missed it. If you think it was because he was gassed and weak, that's pretty much saying Penn could normally sub GSP at will. Most fighters, even the best sub fighters, don't land the first sub they try, not if the guy has any sub defense.