Is Penn going to keep fighting in the UFC? - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

williamN · 03-05-2006, 07:58 AM

Anyone who GSP can't dominate is someone I would like to see fight again in the UFC.

subgenius · 03-05-2006, 09:29 AM

Penn is not the fighter that he once was. I do not know that he can find that fighter inside of himself anymore. At this point, I bet Sanchez, Diaz, or Riggs could beat Penn...

DirtyChuckRulz! · 03-05-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Penn is not the fighter that he once was. I do not know that he can find that fighter inside of himself anymore. At this point, I bet Sanchez, Diaz, or Riggs could beat Penn...

you are crazy.

sitnspin · 03-05-2006, 09:34 AM

That's one of the crazier things you've said. Even after watching BJ's performance last night, I would put my life savings on him against any of the guys you just mentioned. I love how the same people who were singing his praises yesterday morning are already talking about him as washed up.

subgenius · 03-05-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyChuckRulz!

you are crazy.

After that aweful performance last night? Hardly...

So much hype for Penn made it seem like he would walk on water while beating GSP.

Sorry, no miracle mile. No kiss-kiss, no bang-bang.

Penn got beat. I was not impressed with a poke in the eye.

subgenius · 03-05-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

That's one of the crazier things you've said. Even after watching BJ's performance last night, I would put my life savings on him against any of the guys you just mentioned. I love how the same people who were singing his praises yesterday morning are already talking about him as washed up.

WRONG! Angryjohnny, tell this guy how much I talked down on Penn before this fight. I have never sung Penn's praises. Penn was out of gas, but worse -- he was out of options. He had no clue how to stop a wounded and nearly blinded GSP. Penn fought worse than the Crow, and the Crow ran around the octagon like a little girl at least two or three times in that match with the Ace. The ref had to tell him to stop running at one point.

No, Penn has not been hyped by the likes of me. I think the guy is done in MMA. And, I think that he thought so as well at the end of the night with GSP. I bet he retires. He is certainly going down the ladder. He will have to fight someone like Karo, Sherk, Sanchez, Diaz, or Riggs. Worse, he will now have to beat two or three of those guys to get back into the title picture. I bet Penn could not get two wins in a row...

Georges4life · 03-05-2006, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Penn is not the fighter that he once was. I do not know that he can find that fighter inside of himself anymore. At this point, I bet Sanchez, Diaz, or Riggs could beat Penn...

Yes you are crazy

subgenius · 03-05-2006, 09:46 AM

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Yes you are crazy

Tell me one thing that Penn did last night that validates him in any way.

The eye poke?

The lack-luster performance?

The way that he let GSP dominate the control of the match?

How will those strategies help Penn beat the fighters I mentioned?

[Danny] · 03-05-2006, 09:47 AM

I guess if you lose now to the #2 fighter at welterweight and you're automatically a bum. Cool . . .

subgenius · 03-05-2006, 09:49 AM

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I guess if you lose now to the #2 fighter at welterweight and you're automatically a bum. Cool . . .

Not automatically.

I thought that Penn was a bum before this fight.

I even said that this fight was an insult to GSP.

GSP should have been fighting Hughes last night.

IrishLaoch · 03-05-2006, 09:50 AM

I thought Penn did awesome. I did see that cheap eye poke though. I just believe St Pierre is an incredible fighter, i dont believe Penn is a bad fighter. He obviously deserves to stay and get more fights. Third best in his division.....pretty darn good

subgenius · 03-05-2006, 09:57 AM

"Nothing can beat hard work, except talented hard work."

-- Georges "Rush" St-Pierre

I think that GSP said it best himself. Penn might have worked hard in that fight, but his hard work was no match for GSP's talented hard work. What GSP had to overcome from the first round was difficult. That eye poke would have caused many lesser fighters to lose. GSP took this fight away from Penn and made this GSP's fight. He won with true hard work.

sitnspin · 03-05-2006, 10:08 AM

I'm pretty sure GSP said "talent and hard work", not "talented hard work". Maybe I understand him better because I'm Canadian and have grown up listening to Quebecois accents.

Anyway, I apologize, Subgenius -- I looked at some of your posts from this week, and you were definitely not hyping Penn to win. Regardless, the way he fought in RD1, and his obvious BJJ mastery, leads me to say that he's still one of the best guys in the world at WW. When Couture beat Liddell standing and Chuck got all frustrated and his game fell apart, was his career over? When Diego beat Diaz, does that mean Diego's the superior fighter 10 out of 10 times, or did he just beat him THAT night?

Everyone gets beat sometimes, and sometimes they get beat badly. BJ tapped out Hughes (EASILY!) and Hughes tapped GSP. Now GSP's beaten BJ, which only leads me to say that these three fighters are incredible and very evenly matched. I'm sorry, but Diaz, Sanchez and Riggs are NOT in their league.

Nelson · 03-05-2006, 10:33 AM

Guys, be carefull... Pen against most of that division would be carnage in his favor. He was fighting the best last night in my opinion. Pen was not ready for a fighter that quick with so much heart. Put Bj against Triggs and you'll have the same results GSP got... If you put the two best in the ring you get that kind of a match.

BJ crying a stolen decision last night was sad. He has no honnor. He looked like a kid that does not accept loosing. For that, GSP's rep went up and BJ's when plummering down. He got freakin' booed in Vegas in a USA vs. Canada night... GSP got cheered.

I loved that Hughes came and gave the same verdict as the judges. Makes the point since he wanted BJ to win, not GSP.

Eraser2K1NIN · 03-05-2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

After that aweful performance last night? Hardly...

So much hype for Penn made it seem like he would walk on water while beating GSP.

Sorry, no miracle mile. No kiss-kiss, no bang-bang.

Penn got beat. I was not impressed with a poke in the eye.

Aweful performance? After the first round I was hoping GSP would make it out alive....IMHO it was a damn good fight yesterday and I really do believe it could have gone either way.

subgenius · 03-05-2006, 11:10 AM

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Aweful performance? After the first round I was hoping GSP would make it out alive....IMHO it was a damn good fight yesterday and I really do believe it could have gone either way.

Yeah, I thought it was good fight and a good night of fights. I need to be more specific sometimes. Penn gave a poor performance compared with what we have seen from him in the past and what we all know that he is capable of in a performance. And, performance is an odd word here. Most may be thinking that fighters fight -- they do not perform. I think that MMA fighters are very worried about performance (showmanship) in a fight. They want to win or lose based on a great performance.

Look at Stephan Bonnar, for example. He lost to Forrest Griffin for the TUF1 Finale. And yet... He gained a great deal (besides the money) from that loss. He fought and performed at a high level. It is hard NOT to respect Bonnar and that specific performance. By comparison, I thought that Penn looked good for 1:30 of the first round, and then fizzled effectively. He still fought, but I was not impressed by the performance. GSP had to overcome an eye poke. He did not perform well either, but what he had to go through made him look a lot more impressive.

And, just to let you know where I stand... I do NOT believe that Penn poked GSP in the eye on purpose. I fully believe that it was an accident. I would even go so far as to say that Penn's performance suffered because he was angry at himself for allowing such an accident to taint the fight. I think that Penn wanted a great fight against a great fighter under fully fair and even circumstances. I think that he was upset that people might say that he won by a dishonest poke to the eye...

Master Jones · 03-05-2006, 11:40 AM

I'm having a really hard time reading some of these post. How in the world could anyone think that Penn won that fight? I don't think eitheir fighter dominated the stand up, it was pretty darn even. GSP matched him punch for punch kick for kick and scored on take downs and stuffed a take down attempt by Penn. O' I almost forgot about GSP picking up Penn and slamming him down!! If they scored by the amount of blood lost in a fight. Then yea, Penn won I guess! But thankfuly at least 2 of the judges had their heads on right last night. Cecil must of been watching a fight in the crowd or something!! GSP can now go have his title shot. The one he should of had last night!

[Danny] · 03-05-2006, 12:48 PM

I love the thumb comments. It looked like a knuckle cut him below the eye and a shot BROKE his nose. I don't care how light it grazed GSP. Penn broke his nose. Plus all the swelling on GSP's face didn't come from two shots. Penn ****ed him up in the first round, then kind of quit after that.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-05-2006, 12:56 PM

why do you think he quit after that danny??? i think its because he couldnt believe GSP was still coming at him and had such great cardio... penn's cardio was the only thing that didnt impress me at all....
yup it was that uppercut that broke his nose and a bunch of nice shots that swelled up his face... but it was a thumb in the eye, (similar to randy\vitor) that started it in the first min...

[Danny] · 03-05-2006, 12:59 PM

Vitor didn't thumb Couture. It was the seam of the outside of his glove. I'm not doubting GSP at all in this match. He won that fight convincingly in my eyes. But all that damage on Georges face wasn't from a weak shot to the nose and a "thumb" to the eye. That's what I want to get acrossed.