Antonio Inoki would kick all these MMA guys butts and take names

Sal30 · 03-28-2006, 02:12 AM

At least that's what my dad says

[Danny] · 03-28-2006, 09:17 AM

Inoki is a professional wrestler. He was a good actual wrestler back in his day. He and Ali has what I consider the first MMA match which ended in a draw. But saying he could take all of the MMA guys, I doubt it seriously.

subgenius · 03-28-2006, 12:17 PM

Inoki is too old now, but he was awesome in his day. BTW, Inoki trained Lyoto for a spell, and I think that paid of well. People see the word pro-wrestler and they turn off completely it seems. IMO, pro-wrestling is moving closer to being MMA. Pro-wrestlers now use numerous MMA holds and moves. Some even wear the baby-gloves (4 oz.) that the MMA fighters use. Real striking is becoming far more common. Some pro-wrestling is so violent that it cannot be shown on TV.

angryjonny · 03-28-2006, 01:49 PM

I'd take Inoki via chin smash over anyone today.

[Danny] · 03-28-2006, 04:19 PM

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Inoki is too old now, but he was awesome in his day. BTW, Inoki trained Lyoto for a spell, and I think that paid of well. People see the word pro-wrestler and they turn off completely it seems. IMO, pro-wrestling is moving closer to being MMA. Pro-wrestlers now use numerous MMA holds and moves. Some even wear the baby-gloves (4 oz.) that the MMA fighters use. Real striking is becoming far more common. Some pro-wrestling is so violent that it cannot be shown on TV.

The Japanese form of professional wrestling can be converted to MMA called puro-wrestling with it's "strong style". WWE-esque wrestling is acrobatics more than anything and isn't anything like MMA holds at all. Anything that guys like Benoit (sp?) or Angle tried would be stuffed and submitted.

Inoki was wrestling in the time when guys were legt on the ground like LeBell and Thez.

subgenius · 03-28-2006, 05:02 PM

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The Japanese form of professional wrestling can be converted to MMA called puro-wrestling with it's "strong style". WWE-esque wrestling is acrobatics more than anything and isn't anything like MMA holds at all. Anything that guys like Benoit (sp?) or Angle tried would be stuffed and submitted.

Inoki was wrestling in the time when guys were legt on the ground like LeBell and Thez.

Maybe you should watch pro-wrestling before commenting. What you said was way off...

[Danny] · 03-28-2006, 05:04 PM

I've watched a lot of puro from NJPW to Noah buddy. My cousin is in love with professional wrestling and I watch the tapes he gets off of traders with him. So, maybe know my knowledge on the subject before making a comment.

subgenius · 03-28-2006, 05:20 PM

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I've watched a lot of puro from NJPW to Noah buddy. My cousin is in love with professional wrestling and I watch the tapes he gets off of traders with him. So, maybe know my knowledge on the subject before making a comment.

Then you did not watch well. Your comments are like those of people that watch once or twice or see a TV ad for it and they suddenly become experts. Meanwhile people who have watched for 25 years sit back and laugh at those types of people. That is the difference here. I have watched pro-wrestling since the late 1970s. I have also been watching MMA for the past 13 years or so. I see the patterns and the ways that both have grown in the last two or three decades (yes, some MMA goes back as far as 1980, some say farther). The days of REAL pro-wrestling over 50 to 60 years ago were nearly identical to what we see in the world of MMA today.

SmashingMachine · 03-28-2006, 05:53 PM

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The Japanese form of professional wrestling can be converted to MMA called puro-wrestling with it's "strong style". WWE-esque wrestling is acrobatics more than anything and isn't anything like MMA holds at all. Anything that guys like Benoit (sp?) or Angle tried would be stuffed and submitted.

Inoki was wrestling in the time when guys were legt on the ground like LeBell and Thez.

The WWE is a bunch of crap, and most of those guys would get it handed to them in a MMA arena. However, Kurt Angle is an Olympic Gold medalist in real life. He'd make the conversion over to MMA just like Kerr, Coleman, and Couture did. Angle would be a force with the proper training.

subgenius · 03-28-2006, 05:57 PM

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The WWE is a bunch of crap, and most of those guys would get it handed to them in a MMA arena. However, Kurt Angle is an Olympic Gold medalist in real life. He'd make the conversion over to MMA just like Kerr, Coleman, and Couture did. Angle would be a force with the proper training.

And, so when did this "handing of asses" happen? Was there some event that took place where MMA fighters went up against pro-wrestlers? I sure would have paid good money to see THAT. You don't know. You have no way of knowing. The fact is that there are a lot of guys like Angle in pro-wrestling sans the gold medals. Most of them have real life training and wrestling experience.

But, I agree. Personally, I think Kurt Angle could beat just about any HW MMA fighter outside of Fedor and AA. And, like you said, with some training he could even beat them.

[Danny] · 03-28-2006, 08:52 PM

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And, so when did this "handing of asses" happen? Was there some event that took place where MMA fighters went up against pro-wrestlers? I sure would have paid good money to see THAT. You don't know. You have no way of knowing. The fact is that there are a lot of guys like Angle in pro-wrestling sans the gold medals. Most of them have real life training and wrestling experience.

But, I agree. Personally, I think Kurt Angle could beat just about any HW MMA fighter outside of Fedor and AA. And, like you said, with some training he could even beat them.

Watch the Pride events from around 2001-2003. Inoki has sent wrestlers to slaughter house in Pride. An aging Don Frye destroyed their "best" prospect in Takyama. I wouldn't consider Fujita a professional wrestler though. He was a part of Office Inoki, but he was an MMA fighter before wrestling, like Shamrock.

Are you talking Angle now? Doesn't he have a ****ed up kneck and has a hard time wrestling still? I know he's a champion from the pay per view commercials but that doesn't mean he hasn't probably slowed down. Besides, he's probably lost a lot of his technique from his Olympic days, and he doesn't have any striking training. That's kind of outlandish saying he could beat any heavyweight other than Fedor.

Jras0001 · 03-28-2006, 09:32 PM

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He was a part of Office Inoki, but he was an MMA fighter before wrestling, like Shamrock.

actually, shamrock was a pro wrestler before he got into mma. he was wrestling when he decided to try out and go to japan to wrestle and thats where he got into pancrase (spelling).

mepersoner · 03-28-2006, 10:13 PM

Right, but they trained in catch-as-can wrestling, which is a real way of fighting. Not like the people in WWE.

The people in WWE would get smashed by any MMA fighter. I haven't watched it in a few years though, so unless it's drastically changed in the last 4 years, it's nothing like MMA.

Sal30 · 03-28-2006, 10:21 PM

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Right, but they trained in catch-as-can wrestling, which is a real way of fighting. Not like the people in WWE.

The people in WWE would get smashed by any MMA fighter. I haven't watched it in a few years though, so unless it's drastically changed in the last 4 years, it's nothing like MMA.

But you forget one very important thing, the MMA isn't 100% real, it has artificial rules. In real life a guy like Bob Sapp, Mark Henry, or Paul Wight has the opportunity to lift a guy like Arlovsky, drop him on his head and break his neck in a second.That is something that is IMPOSSIBLE for the smaller guy to do because of physics.
I don't think ANY MMA fighter would last 30 seconds in a real fight with Bob Sapp.

angryjonny · 03-28-2006, 10:23 PM

I don't have much to add to this thread because I'm not that knowledgeable when it comes to wrestling anymore. If we talk about the Degeneration X days and before then I know some stuff but these days I'm clueless.

I did find a video that's pretty sweet though. It shows what a difference there is between American and Japanese prowrestling. It's actually pretty entertaining.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+brown&pl=true

mepersoner · 03-28-2006, 10:26 PM

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But you forget one very important thing, the MMA isn't 100% real, it has artificial rules. In real life a guy like Bob Sapp, Mark Henry, or Paul Wight has the opportunity to lift a guy like Arlovsky, drop him on his head and break his neck in a second.That is something that is IMPOSSIBLE for the smaller guy to do because of physics.
I don't think ANY MMA fighter would last 30 seconds in a real fight with Bob Sapp.

What do you mean? That's legal in most Japanese MMA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI7dv...ch=mma%20slams

Edit: And American, just not spiking on the head. Slams are okay though.

[Danny] · 03-28-2006, 11:18 PM

Here's my stance on WWE in MMA. Daniel Puder, who I believe has a 2-0 record alsot tapped out the best wrestler in the WWE in Kurt Angle in a grappling match. Yep, Angle could beat any heavyweight but Fedor.

subgenius · 03-29-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mepersoner

Right, but they trained in catch-as-can wrestling, which is a real way of fighting. Not like the people in WWE.

The people in WWE would get smashed by any MMA fighter. I haven't watched it in a few years though, so unless it's drastically changed in the last 4 years, it's nothing like MMA.

NOT! You don't know jack about pro-wrestling, LOL.

subgenius · 03-29-2006, 02:11 PM

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Here's my stance on WWE in MMA. Daniel Puder, who I believe has a 2-0 record alsot tapped out the best wrestler in the WWE in Kurt Angle in a grappling match. Yep, Angle could beat any heavyweight but Fedor.

Yeah, but that was "faked" and "scripted" so it don't count, LOL.

God, I love a good double-standard.

[Danny] · 03-29-2006, 11:26 PM

From what I gather, it was what wrestling fans like to call a "shoot".