Shamrock vs Ortiz???

Ray433 · 04-03-2006, 05:01 PM

So I've been looking at all the past Shamrock interviews I can, and the man constantly states that he will not ever go back down to light heavy weight as he is too weak and not effective enough.

So a few questions: When Franklin fought Shamrock was Franklin still fighting as a Light Heavyweight? And did Shamrock drop to 205 again?

With his upcoming fight with Ortiz, will it be like the Hughes Gracie fight or will it be a set light heavyweight bout?

Greenman · 04-03-2006, 05:35 PM

The Franklin Shamrock fight was at 205lbs

sitnspin · 04-03-2006, 05:56 PM

And maybe if Shamrock refuses to fight at LHW, Tito will move up. I could see him still being effective with another 20 pounds on him.

Jras0001 · 04-03-2006, 08:18 PM

i dont see shamrock making a long comback in the ufc, not one that would warrant him fighting at 205 anyway. the tito / shamrock fight can be at heavy weight and tito can still compete in the lhw devision. this fight will be more like the gracie / hughes fight than it will a fight to help see who makes it up to get a title shot at a particular weight class. this is just a fight everyoen wanted to see again...

DrumzCT · 04-04-2006, 06:43 PM

You know I just saw thier first fight again on Spike. Shamrock got beat no doubt but he really didn't that bad. If he can get his cardio up I think he would be a much bigger threat especially standing. I think he got the better of the stand up in the first two rounds and he had some good sweeps getting back to the feet as well not to mention he rocked Tito with that one hook in the first round.

If Shamrock can get his cardio up I think this fight will be very close. We'll see how Tito does against Griffin.

Jras0001 · 04-04-2006, 07:59 PM

shamrock was having a lot of personal issues just before that fight that kept him from training like he normally would have. he's said that was one reason he gassed out like that. shamrock used to be able to last much longer than that fight did before getting winded. i think he probably knows what he needs to do and will do it. i think this fight will be much closer and possibly ending in a shamrock victory if tito isnt careful.

Eraser2K1NIN · 04-04-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrumzCT

You know I just saw thier first fight again on Spike. Shamrock got beat no doubt but he really didn't that bad. If he can get his cardio up I think he would be a much bigger threat especially standing. I think he got the better of the stand up in the first two rounds and he had some good sweeps getting back to the feet as well not to mention he rocked Tito with that one hook in the first round.

If Shamrock can get his cardio up I think this fight will be very close. We'll see how Tito does against Griffin.

Please tell me your kidding? Ken got the better of the stand up? Only thing he did on his feet was that ONE hook...Other than that Ken was beaten down like a stray dog...

SmashingMachine · 04-05-2006, 08:49 AM

Shamrock cut weight right and was at 205 when he fought Rich. After watching the last fight with Ortiz, I don't see how he's going to beat Tito. Of course, they say he dropped weight all wrong and he had a screwed up shoulder. He needs to do something when he's in the guard this time...man he could have had all sorts of submission attempts the last time, but he just laid there. I hope Ken pulls it together, the next time they fight, because I can't stand Tito either.

Jras0001 · 04-05-2006, 10:51 AM

just going by the competitor that ken has proven he is, i think he will probably invest more into training this time as well as cardio and he'll be where he needs to be for this fight. i dont think tito will have near as easy of a time as he did last time by no means....

SWIBC · 04-05-2006, 12:18 PM

I assume Ken got to roll with the guys in TUF 3, that should help his training there in preparing for his SuperFight with Tito.

TaddT189 · 04-05-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DrumzCT

You know I just saw thier first fight again on Spike. Shamrock got beat no doubt but he really didn't that bad. If he can get his cardio up I think he would be a much bigger threat especially standing. I think he got the better of the stand up in the first two rounds and he had some good sweeps getting back to the feet as well not to mention he rocked Tito with that one hook in the first round.

If Shamrock can get his cardio up I think this fight will be very close. We'll see how Tito does against Griffin.

What? Maybe I didnt read that right. Shamrock got the better of the first two rounds? Did you seriously watch the fight? Shamrock got beaten unmercifuly so bad he quit. If I understand your opinion right you are really a Tito hater, maybe you should star a club. lol

Ray433 · 04-05-2006, 05:15 PM

I keep hearing that Ken fought injured in the first fight, do people feel that was the cause of the beatdown or did he just prepeare wrong? I'm hoping to see a much stronger Ken in the next fight, because while I enjoy Tito, I would like to see an actual fight and not just a beatdown. I want to see Ken earn back some respect I think he has been lacking as of late

DrumzCT · 04-05-2006, 09:36 PM

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Shamrock got the better of the first two rounds?

If your going to quote me then take the time to read what's in your quotes. He got the better OF THE STANDUP in the first two rounds. I said he got beat no doubt, I was saying judging from that fight and the fact he had a hard time cutting weight and was injured he didn't do that bad and with those issues cleared up and some more training he stands a chance. There's no doubt Tito beat him down, no one would debate that wether they hate Tito or not.

Eraser2K1NIN · 04-05-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrumzCT

If your going to quote me then take the time to read what's in your quotes. He got the better OF THE STANDUP in the first two rounds. I said he got beat no doubt, I was saying judging from that fight and the fact he had a hard time cutting weight and was injured he didn't do that bad and with those issues cleared up and some more training he stands a chance. There's no doubt Tito beat him down, no one would debate that wether they hate Tito or not.

My reference WAS to the stand up. Not the round overall. Ken did nothing better than Tito in that fight, he was beaten like a drum. Funny to think someone actually thought Ken won the stand up in ANY round.

TaddT189 · 04-05-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Eraser2K1NIN

My reference WAS to the stand up. Not the round overall. Ken did nothing better than Tito in that fight, he was beaten like a drum. Funny to think someone actually thought Ken won the stand up in ANY round.

If it's ok that i quote you, you are absolutely right.

SmashingMachine · 04-05-2006, 10:17 PM

Yeah, Ken got hammered in every way, shape and form in that fight. He landed some shots in the stand-up, but Tito out did him in the stand-up game too.

geckster7 · 04-06-2006, 11:32 AM

Shamrock had no conditioning and no ground game. Tito fwiw toyed with him, extending the fight. When Tito got bored he started raining down the elbows, end of story.

I was disappointed, that was one of the first really big-hype fights and it was a really one-sided affair. I wanted to see Shamrock do better. I hope he's in better shape and has developed a ground game this time.

DrumzCT · 04-06-2006, 06:46 PM

Aside from two or three good sweeps Ken was totally dominated on the ground, no argument there. His conditioning was on an amature level compared to Tito's, no argument there either. I don't think that on thier feet though that Ken was ever in any danger aside from the impending takedown. He rocked tito with that hook early in round one and in rounds one and two his jab was good and his foot work was good.

What I said in my first post was

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If he can get his cardio up I think he would be a much bigger threat especially standing.

and I think that's definitely true. Not saying he can win, I seriously doubt he can, but I do think with better cardio it will be a more even fight and I do think that for the little while it was standing Ken looked to be the bigger threat.

DrumzCT · 04-06-2006, 06:47 PM

Oops double post...

PghPens71 · 04-06-2006, 07:04 PM

i hope its more competitive this time around -- im very curious to see how tito does vs forrest. i say he'll win, but i was about 1 for 7 at the last ppv sooo...