Bruce Lee in the UFC

mepersoner · 04-18-2006, 05:18 PM

Clips from movies are real proof...

Like I said, I have the 1 inch punch on my harddrive. It's a good display of why it's important to use more than just your arm when punching.

Also, I've said in the past that if a person wants to use steroids, it's that person's choice. Why that would lessen his accomplishments is beyond me. However, Bruce Lee is hardly some phenominal fighter. He won a few boxing matches and he won a Wing Chun tournament. If he was as good as you guys say, why didn't he accomplish more in martial arts and less in movies? I've still yet to see a single source for anything any of you are saying and I've asked every post. It's funny, I provide sources, they're not good enough, but it's fine if you guys provide no sources at all.

Jras0001 · 04-18-2006, 05:45 PM

well, as for what i posted, i dont feel i need sources as i wasnt claiming anything about his past accomplisments. i was going off of observation from his demonstrations and what not. the man had a remarkably fast reflex and response time. its also pretty much general knowlege that he was a gifted athlete and martial artist.

as to why he didnt accomplish more out of the movies than he did in the movies.....well, i can only speculate there. i imagine its because he just didnt compete as much as he acted in movies. ive read before that he and chuck norris had some exhibition matches. i cant recall the date of them, im sure that some others on here may know more about them than me. i believe that he beat norris in their matches. i say that alone shows that he was could compete with some of the best at that time.

i could care less if the man had to take steroids for medical reasons or if he took them for personal reasons, its his body and his decision.

mepersoner · 04-18-2006, 05:51 PM

He kind of reminds me of Rickson, lot of "wow he was the best" without proof. At least Rickson actually fought some real fighters though.

I've heard that rumor before about Norris too, Bruce was one of his instructors... but why not just have Norris confirm it?

Reildeal · 04-18-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mepersoner

Clips from movies are real proof...

Like I said, I have the 1 inch punch on my harddrive. It's a good display of why it's important to use more than just your arm when punching.

Also, I've said in the past that if a person wants to use steroids, it's that person's choice. Why that would lessen his accomplishments is beyond me. However, Bruce Lee is hardly some phenominal fighter. He won a few boxing matches and he won a Wing Chun tournament. If he was as good as you guys say, why didn't he accomplish more in martial arts and less in movies? I've still yet to see a single source for anything any of you are saying and I've asked every post. It's funny, I provide sources, they're not good enough, but it's fine if you guys provide no sources at all.

Dude, I don't think you get it at all. I'm not sure what proof you're looking for. The only way to prove it would be to have a sample of his blood from the time that he "supposedly" was using steroids. Mepersoner, lets just say that you've been dead for many many years, and someone wrote a book and made a claim that you were a steroid user. How exactly would we prove that you weren't? I guess we should just take the guys word for it because it's actually in his book. And we ALL know that everything you read is the truth right? hehe Truth is, you nor I have definitive proof either way. I don't think it's likely at all that he used though.

And secondly you ask why he didn't accomplish more in martial arts than he did in movies? Apparently you don't recognize his accomplishments at all. He was a primary developer of methods outside the traditionalist thought of the fighting arts, and was shunned by many for even teaching a white person the art of Kung Fu. He taught anyone that was willing to learn. He's been published, and had started his own fighting school. If you ask me, his accomplishments off the screen far outweigh those on the screen.

mepersoner · 04-18-2006, 06:41 PM

I meant as a fighter, not as a teacher.

SeikanJudanski · 04-18-2006, 07:28 PM

Mepersoner.. is everything ok with you? Nobody posted any clips from movies here to prove anything. Your just assuming that, but it was out of fun. If I wanted to post some real proof, I could post the entire Documentary called "A Warrior´s Journey". Maybe you should try to watch it, it has many private footages of Bruce Lee´s including freestyle fights, training, etc.. Linda Lee talks about how many times he had to fight people who challenged him, even to a point that it was only then that he was allowed to open a school. There are clips of him owning people in Full contact, they talk about the many challenges which he took even against people with weapons, such as knives, stickes or whatever. He was kicking ass all over the place. Dan Inosanto and many others explain how good he was, and footages of never before seen material is presented. It´s a heck lot better than quoting some article.

I am not sure what you are trying to make out of Bruce Lee, but saying his has accomplishments are limited to teaching, is pathetic. The man invented Jeet Kun Do.. what Martial Art have you invented lately? If anything it was Bruce, besides the Brazilians, who tried to evolve Martial Arts into MMA. His philosophy was, "No style is the best style", constantly trying to change and adapt, not sticking to one style, but doing what is most effective. Do you think you could invent a Martial Art, but not be good at it? Are you calling Bruce a "theorist"? A teacher who can´t fight?

Bruce is known for his fighting, acting AND teaching. No scruby little article by Joe Lewis, or Joe Stein or Bleeker, who by the way as Time Magazine says, we would have to take his words for about the steroid abuse, is going to change that.

I can understand when somebody tries to make him into a semi-god that it should be said enough is enough, but to sit here and try to make him into some actor, and not the martial artist which he was is injustice. He was a great Martial Artist, fighter, actor, teacher and from what I have read and seen, a very good person. Let the dead be, nobody here is going agree with you on this..does this send a message to you?

At first I was enjoying this thread, but now it´s getting ridiculous. What are you going to say next? Mas Oyama was also not a good fighter? Never mind that other thread, where you mentioned that Quinton Jackson´s or Silva´s ground game is better than Big Nog´s..lol or saying that his ground game is not that good, as if there is nobody else to say this about, except Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, the best ground fighter in MMA today. You got some strange views dude, but no love lost, you´re still our bro.

IrishLaoch · 04-18-2006, 07:48 PM

[quote=SeikanJudanski] Are you calling Bruce a "theorist"? A teacher who can´t fight? QUOTE]

Well its a weel known fatc that those who cant do, teach. And those who cant teach, teach gym....

But seriously, Bruce is the man. I cant see how people want to lessen what he has done and accomplished.

Reildeal · 04-18-2006, 08:25 PM

Well said SeikanJudanski.

thecreewarrior · 04-18-2006, 09:56 PM

well said Sieken. yeah mepersoner watch Warriors Journey.
You want some proof here you go

download the one inch punch onto your computer, its like a few files so it wont take long to dl at all

http://kajukenbo.info/kajukenbo/brucelee.html

mepersoner · 04-18-2006, 10:26 PM

I've seen the movie.

I already have dozens of clips on my computer of Bruce Lee, including that. I said Bruce Lee is overrated on these boards. As a fighter he didn't accomplish much. If you look at his students, they all accomplished a lot in the martial arts world. He's obviously an excellent teacher. However, the proof is in the pudding. I didn't say Bruce Lee couldn't fight, I said Bruce Lee didn't kick 300 pound bags to the ceiling and he didn't accomplish a whole lot as a fighter and that he is overrated. Maybe he was the best ever, maybe he wasn't, but you have no *real* proof either way. You have proof he was an excellent teacher. You have proof he had a great philosophy pertaining to martial arts, but that doesn't instantly make him an incredible fighter. Yeah, I've seen the 1 inch punch, and him crushing steel cans with his bare hands, and I've already mentioned that he was stronger in his arms than the average olympic weight lifter in his weight class.

So let's see, I've said he was an excellent teacher, an actor, an incredible physical specimen and he didn't achieve much as A FIGHTER in the martial arts world. I also said I doubt he punched 300 pound bags to the ceiling and could punch 7 times a second or whatever. Could you tell me where I'm wrong here? If he was such a great fighter, he should've done more as a fighter. His legacy lives on in his students, who were excellent. Achieved a lot as a teacher, not as a fighter.

Also, I never said Quinton's ground game is better than Nog's, that's ridiculous, I also didn't say Silva's ground game is better than Nog's, just as ridiculous. I may have said Quinton is a better wrestler than Nog (because he is) and I may have said I don't know if Nog can sub Silva (because Silva has never been subbed, and he has a good defensive ground game). There's more to the ground game than just wrestling, and there's more to than having good defense against Subs.

However, I wouldn't say Nog is the best ground fighter in the world, but that's for another thread - which I'll talk about if a thread is made on the subject.

thecreewarrior · 04-18-2006, 10:39 PM

I believe that you are right. I do however think he did accomplish quite a bit as a fighter, maybe not as much as UFC hall of famers did but he did acomplish lots as shown in movie. I would type it all but if you seen movie you obviously saw how he would fight on a weekly basis against random people.
I think if he were still alive today and were to join UFC or Pride he would be unstoppable.(He would half to make several changes, martail arts has evolved)
His philosophy fits very well with MMA, his speed is amazing, his arm strength
is comparable to Matt Hughes, His striking is amazing and most of all his mind power is like none other man I know of.(He would half to work on his ground game though, but we all know that he was perfect at adapting to Martail arts so that wouldn't be a problem).

thecreewarrior · 04-18-2006, 11:37 PM

Heres a link to learn how to do the One inch punch. The one inch punch doesnt require srength. I can do the one inch punch and maybe you can to.
WARNING: do not try this at home j/k j/k you can do it just do not try it on your brother or someone lol
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=104910

SeikanJudanski · 04-19-2006, 09:33 AM

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Also, I never said Quinton's ground game is better than Nog's, that's ridiculous, I also didn't say Silva's ground game is better than Nog's, just as ridiculous. I may have said Quinton is a better wrestler than Nog (because he is) and I may have said I don't know if Nog can sub Silva (because Silva has never been subbed, and he has a good defensive ground game). There's more to the ground game than just wrestling, and there's more to than having good defense against Subs.

However, I wouldn't say Nog is the best ground fighter in the world, but that's for another thread - which I'll talk about if a thread is made on the subject.

Here is your thread.. Nog´s Ground Game... this is for you mepersoner.

The_Iceman · 04-19-2006, 10:30 PM

I'm sure Bruce would dominate MMA, having the fastest series of punches and kicks, but lets not forget about the one and only Chuck Norris. One Roundhouse kick to the head and life is over for whom ever faces him. lol...

thecreewarrior · 04-19-2006, 10:43 PM

Yeah Bruce and Chuck the middle weight and welterweight champions hehe.
Though I think Franklin would beat Chuck with ease.

subgenius · 04-20-2006, 10:42 AM

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Yeah Bruce and Chuck the middle weight and welterweight champions hehe.
Though I think Franklin would beat Chuck with ease.

Nah, Chuck Norris would roundhouse kick Dana White so hard that the belt would fly off of Franklin's waist and land on Chuck's waist. That kick would be so hard that Franklin's name would actually be kicked off the belt and replaced with Norris before it hits his waist.

Even if Franklin did have to fight Norris in the ring, Franklin would only hurt his hands and feet on Chuck Norris's beard.

thecreewarrior · 04-20-2006, 11:55 AM

They treid to make chuck norris a toilet paper. To bad he didn't take **** from nobody.
Chuck Norris's tears cured cancer. It's a shame he never creid.
Chuck Norris eats babies and ****s out swat team members.

SmashingMachine · 04-20-2006, 02:51 PM

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They treid to make chuck norris a toilet paper. To bad he didn't take **** from nobody.
Chuck Norris's tears cured cancer. It's a shame he never creid.
Chuck Norris eats babies and ****s out swat team members.

LOL...let's not forget Chuck Norris was a great champion. He too, now cross trains in Jui-Jitsu. He'd been good at MMA, had they had it in his time or if he was 30 years younger. He'd evolve with the sport too.

Crashsti · 04-24-2006, 09:15 AM

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So let's see, I've said he was an excellent teacher, an actor, an incredible physical specimen and he didn't achieve much as A FIGHTER in the martial arts world. I also said I doubt he punched 300 pound bags to the ceiling and could punch 7 times a second or whatever. Could you tell me where I'm wrong here? If he was such a great fighter, he should've done more as a fighter. His legacy lives on in his students, who were excellent. Achieved a lot as a teacher, not as a fighter.

i am a bit confused as to how you can say that Bruce did'nt achieve much as a fighter? the man has left an everlasting legacy that people will look back at probably forever. he is an inspiration to us all so i see no reason for you to drag his name through the mud.

subgenius · 04-24-2006, 11:12 AM

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i am a bit confused as to how you can say that Bruce did'nt achieve much as a fighter? the man has left an everlasting legacy that people will look back at probably forever. he is an inspiration to us all so i see no reason for you to drag his name through the mud.

Bruce Lee is to Martial Arts in the same way that Elvis is to music. They are both legends. I happen to like both Bruce Lee and Elvis, but I know many people that would say that Elvis was not the all-time best singer, song-writer, and/or musician in the world.

I know! BLASPHEMY!

The same is true of Bruce Lee. Most of us see him as the pinnacle of Martial Arts. But, there are many that will say that THAT is not true.

We will never know just how well or how bad or how average Bruce Lee would have or could have been in MMA. What we do know is that his legend is, like Elvis, based on facts and real events. Elvis did truly live. And, Bruce Lee was the best in martial arts... We know that Bruce Lee would definately have trained seriously and efficiently for MMA. He would DEFINATELY have contacted people like the Gracies for the best BJJ skills in order to prepare. Who would have refused Bruce Lee?

However, we will never know whether or not Bruce Lee would have or could have beaten Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic. I mean, maybe Mirko could KO Bruce Lee with that evil left high kick. We will never know if Bruce Lee could have or would have gone the distance against Wanderlei Silva, Chuck Liddell, Royce Gracie, Matt Hughes, BJ Penn, etc, etc.... But, oh my god, I would love to have seen such fights!