Tito accuses Forrest of cheating in their match on a radio interview

maddog · 04-19-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashingMachine

an instant classic of a poor decision.

Poor decision is right. I agree totally. One judge even scored the fight 30-27 in favor of Tito. Where do they get these judges? Turn into boxing if they keep that up.

[Danny] · 04-19-2006, 11:56 PM

Blame CSAC, not the UFC. It wasn't a screw job. It was a damn close fight you guys. It could have went either way. A true utter screw job has not happened yet in MMA in my opinion. Every questionable judges descion does have some reality to it. Tito almost ended the fight in the 1st. That's why he got a 10-8. Forrest didn't do **** in the first. But I had Forrest winning the whole match, but it was close.

This fight was far from a screw job.

SmashingMachine · 04-20-2006, 08:51 AM

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Blame CSAC, not the UFC. It wasn't a screw job. It was a damn close fight you guys. It could have went either way. A true utter screw job has not happened yet in MMA in my opinion. Every questionable judges descion does have some reality to it. Tito almost ended the fight in the 1st. That's why he got a 10-8. Forrest didn't do **** in the first. But I had Forrest winning the whole match, but it was close.

This fight was far from a screw job.

I realize that Danny, about CSAC. But, how can you not call the Bonnar/Jardine fight a screw job? That fight was so lop-sided, in Keith's favor, it wasn't even funny.

subgenius · 04-20-2006, 10:34 AM

If anyone is getting screwed, then it is the UFC and MMA as a whole. The various athletic commissions are screwing the fighters over as well as the fans and the promotions in MMA. Bad or questionable decisions haunt the sport. Heck, they haunt most sports -- football, baseball, boxing, etc., etc...

Jras0001 · 04-20-2006, 11:56 AM

i dont think that it would be hard for the UFC or the MMA community as a whole to cultivate and train judges that are specialized in judging MMA style bouts. if the judges were knowlegable and knew what to look for and how to score the fights, then they could even continue to use the 10 pt must system, even though i think it doesnt realy fit MMA as much as it does boxing. i think there should be a concerted effort on behalf of the various organizations to stop the problems with decisions before it goes any further and just gets out of hand...which it could do. not to mention the harm a bad decision does to the fighters records....

BloodyFinger · 04-20-2006, 11:58 AM

The one time that Tito slipped off Forrest it looked more like he slipped off the shorts than the legs...

SmashingMachine · 04-20-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

If anyone is getting screwed, then it is the UFC and MMA as a whole. The various athletic commissions are screwing the fighters over as well as the fans and the promotions in MMA. Bad or questionable decisions haunt the sport. Heck, they haunt most sports -- football, baseball, boxing, etc., etc...

Very good point. I think the atheltic commission should get trained mma guys/gals in there to judge these fights. They've been really off here as of late. A couple of close fights and one really horrid decision in Bonnar/Jardine.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 04-20-2006, 02:58 PM

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Very good point. I think the atheltic commission should get trained mma guys/gals in there to judge these fights. They've been really off here as of late. A couple of close fights and one really horrid decision in Bonnar/Jardine.

maybe they should get you....
this is a very difficult job, dont you think they are well trained?? they judge so many fights, and are wrong here and there, but all the internet chat lines have months to analyze what happens during each second, they dont..

two_guns_blazing · 04-20-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jras0001

i dont think that it would be hard for the UFC or the MMA community as a whole to cultivate and train judges that are specialized in judging MMA style bouts. if the judges were knowlegable and knew what to look for and how to score the fights, then they could even continue to use the 10 pt must system, even though i think it doesnt realy fit MMA as much as it does boxing. i think there should be a concerted effort on behalf of the various organizations to stop the problems with decisions before it goes any further and just gets out of hand...which it could do. not to mention the harm a bad decision does to the fighters records....

I agree that judges need to be more knowledgeable in MMA. However, any judging changes that are done need to come from state athletic commissions rather than the UFC. While the UFC would have help in training and instructing the judges, in no way should they be in direct control. Even with the outrage of recent decisions, how much worse would it look if the UFC's own judges scored for Bonnar? People would be screaming FIX!!!! I don't think there's any good that could come from the UFC employing there own judges. But we all agree there needs to be changes.

marnold · 04-20-2006, 03:14 PM

Tito wants to be seen as an elite, as in the best in his weight class, so much that he will claim a bout was difficult due to gamesmanship. He wants to be seen a superior to Griffin because Griffin is still proving himself to many--not me. Tito thinks it an insult to be of Griffin's calibre; I think it a compliment.

subgenius · 04-20-2006, 03:18 PM

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I agree that judges need to be more knowledgeable in MMA. However, any judging changes that are done need to come from state athletic commissions rather than the UFC. While the UFC would have help in training and instructing the judges, in no way should they be in direct control. Even with the outrage of recent decisions, how much worse would it look if the UFC's own judges scored for Bonnar? People would be screaming FIX!!!! I don't think there's any good that could come from the UFC employing there own judges. But we all agree there needs to be changes.

Or, maybe the UFC can hire and install their own "blind" judges. Not that they cannot see, but they score the fight at the same time and place as the judges from the athletic commission. They could even compare them publically -- they already have Eddie Bravo doing that. I think that they need more judges, perhaps... Maybe five athletic commission judges instead of three. But, I agree that the final judge decision cannot come from just the UFC. That would never fly, unless they simply made it a rule that without a (T)KO, submission, tap-out, then the fight is a draw if it goes to time limit.

SmashingMachine · 04-21-2006, 12:02 AM

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maybe they should get you....
this is a very difficult job, dont you think they are well trained?? they judge so many fights, and are wrong here and there, but all the internet chat lines have months to analyze what happens during each second, they dont..

You're right maybe they should get me, because I analyze them as they happen and the only time I'm wrong is when the judges are wrong. I don't take biased opinions of who I like better and then claim to watch the fight a dozen times or so and still come up with the same biased opinion.