UFC 59 Payroll??

GSPALLTHEWAY · 04-28-2006, 03:18 PM

yep same thing everytime... i care about he UFC spending the big bucks to bring in the big names.... let all the smaller fighters go to the IFL, because when they win and get good, the UFC will pay them what they want... The ufc is now using the TUFS to develope fighters.. as long as they spend alot to get the good guys into the UFC and keep them then thats fine with me... Let josh rafferty go fight the other rejects in the IFL

angryjonny · 04-28-2006, 03:27 PM

I guess it's just a little surprising that you have a typical "casual fan perspective" when you are one of those that says you aren't. Didn't you say before that you think it's stupid for someone to show loyalty to one org or the other or something like that?

It's just kind of silly to write something off that hasn't even happened yet and defending every crappy decision that gets made and then you get all butt hurt when someone ever says anything negative about UFC. There is a word for someone like you fortunately a lot of people don't use it much around here because it's kind of annoying.

TommyGunSexy05 · 04-28-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

I don't know much about the payment structure for the UFC fighters or benefits if any...contract guys I'm assuming have some sort of deal worked in. The reason I'm commenting is because I'm thinking that some of these payments won't even cover the health-care costs associated with the (potential) injuries sustained and/or long-term effects.

i remember hearing that that the ufc covers all health care expenses for fighters post fight...even so, the salary they make is worse then min wage jobs....working full time at mcdonalds will make u more money, thats the sad part...

thecreewarrior · 04-28-2006, 03:52 PM

Although there salary is low they make money for fights. Someone said Liddell made over 200k for his fight with Randy.

subgenius · 04-28-2006, 03:55 PM

$3000 for 15 minutes? What McDonalds pays that much? In that light, they make good money... But, they may have to fight ten times to make a living wage. But, what about training time? We do not know. We have not been able to see all the details of MMA contracts. There could be a yearly salary plus training salary plus fight purses. Sanchez, Bonnar, Griffin, Stevenson, and Imes all got six-figure contracts. That is NOT six-figures per fight. What contract details does Franklin have? Liddell? Others?

Jras0001 · 04-28-2006, 04:32 PM

thats true, mcdonalds doesnt pay $3K for 15 mins of work, but which mcdonalds can you get suplexed at or get a shoulder torqued out of socket? not that many id bet....

anyway, i know its been said that the ifl wont be able to compete with the ufc but i couldnt disagree more. i think that the ifl stands as good a chance to grow and compete against the ufc as any other organization in the states.....but, i guess we will just have to wait and see.

PghPens71 · 04-28-2006, 08:57 PM

thats a hell of a profit, geeez.
And poor martin. his salary from the fight with irvin probably was spent on putting teeth back in his head... or most of it... literally.

good to see tanner's getting more than a snickers bar and a stripper.

subgenius · 04-28-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PghPens71

thats a hell of a profit, geeez.
And poor martin. his salary from the fight with irvin probably was spent on putting teeth back in his head... or most of it... literally.

good to see tanner's getting more than a snickers bar and a stripper.

That Tanner comment is hilarious

That put a smile on my face.

I needed that, thanks

TommyGunSexy05 · 04-28-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

$3000 for 15 minutes? What McDonalds pays that much? In that light, they make good money... But, they may have to fight ten times to make a living wage. But, what about training time? We do not know. We have not been able to see all the details of MMA contracts. There could be a yearly salary plus training salary plus fight purses. Sanchez, Bonnar, Griffin, Stevenson, and Imes all got six-figure contracts. That is NOT six-figures per fight. What contract details does Franklin have? Liddell? Others?

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mma fighters still have to train like crazy..during that time they could be working at mcdonalds and making more....i never meant to say u make 15000 in 15 min at mcdonalds...but the amount of training it takes to prepare....15000 is nuthing..but yes its true, overall fighting is a better job if you love it..

subgenius · 04-29-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TommyGunSexy05

mma fighters still have to train like crazy..during that time they could be working at mcdonalds and making more....i never meant to say u make 15000 in 15 min at mcdonalds...but the amount of training it takes to prepare....15000 is nuthing..but yes its true, overall fighting is a better job if you love it..

That is my point. We are NOT seeing what the fighters get paid. We are seeing what the fighters make for a single fight. The UFC does not allow fighters to fight without a contract. It may seem like Franklin is not making much per fight, we have NO CLUE what he makes on his contract. I did searches, and there are no contract details posted. We do not know whether or not the UFC pays extra for training and health costs.

What we do know is that people like Griffin, Sanchez, Bonner, Evans (sorry, I said Imes last time), and Stevenson have all recieved six-figure contracts. What we also know is that they do NOT make six-figures in each fight. THAT is what I mean... Liddell made $200,000 in the Liddell-Couture fight, but his contract could be for a million or maybe a few million.

angryjonny · 04-29-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

That is my point. We are NOT seeing what the fighters get paid. We are seeing what the fighters make for a single fight. The UFC does not allow fighters to fight without a contract. It may seem like Franklin is not making much per fight, we have NO CLUE what he makes on his contract. I did searches, and there are no contract details posted. We do not know whether or not the UFC pays extra for training and health costs.

What we do know is that people like Griffin, Sanchez, Bonner, Evans (sorry, I said Imes last time), and Stevenson have all recieved six-figure contracts. What we also know is that they do NOT make six-figures in each fight. THAT is what I mean... Liddell made $200,000 in the Liddell-Couture fight, but his contract could be for a million or maybe a few million.

The only org that will pay a salary is the IFL. They also pay out incentives. Is that what you are getting at? UFC does not they only pay per fight.

lwbfl · 04-29-2006, 01:26 PM

Think of it this way, football players start out in Hight School, training and playing for free. If they are good, they go to college (where really they are paying to train and play). THEN, if they survive all that and are good at the game, they can go pro and make some money. So, they spend the first 8 years of their career training and playing just for the chance to make big money. These new fighters are getting paid to prove themselves, once they've done so, then the money comes! By the way, smaller orgs pay $300 per fight IF you win LOL! Oh yeah, and keep in mind that those "6 figure contracts" are only 6 figure if you win. You get X amount to fight and a bonus for the win. If you lose all of your fights, you make the same as every other can LOL!

TommyGunSexy05 · 04-29-2006, 01:43 PM

i heard this somewhere but forget the source..A six figure contract means that they make 100,000+ a year..that means that you combine the 3-4 fights they fight in one year and it should equal over 100,000....I think this is wrong but thats what i heard from someone...

subgenius · 04-29-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

The only org that will pay a salary is the IFL. They also pay out incentives. Is that what you are getting at? UFC does not they only pay per fight.

Than how do you explain a six-figure contract for the winners of TUF? And, what are you basing that info on? Post a link so we can all see where that came from...

subgenius · 04-29-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TommyGunSexy05

i heard this somewhere but forget the source..A six figure contract means that they make 100,000+ a year..that means that you combine the 3-4 fights they fight in one year and it should equal over 100,000....I think this is wrong but thats what i heard from someone...

Imposssible! At $3000 per fight, a fighter would have to fight 33 times to make six-figures. Sanchez has fought three times since the end of TUF1. Are you saying that he made like $33,000 per fight?

angryjonny · 04-29-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Than how do you explain a six-figure contract for the winners of TUF? And, what are you basing that info on? Post a link so we can all see where that came from...

Six figures means over 100,000 dollars with a multi-fight deal. Not that hard to figure out. Post a link to what?

subgenius · 04-29-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Six figures means over 100,000 dollars with a multi-fight deal. Not that hard to figure out. Post a link to what?

You are not making sense. Of course six-figures means six-figures. It could be anything from $100,000 to $999,999. Who cares about THAT? But, you have NOT explained the pay-out. You cannot make sense of this by saying that they make nothing except fight purses. Sanchez fought three times in the last year. What did he make per fight? $30,000+ or what?

You know what I am asking for -- a LINK to where you got the data on the pay-outs for any or all UFC contracts. What are the details of any and all contracts? Come on, man. Give us the goods...

subgenius · 04-29-2006, 03:34 PM

Here is one bit of evidence that I found:

Diego Sanchez ($24,000) vs Brain Gassaway ($2,000)

So, maybe you are correct. Still, three fights at $24,000 is not six-figures...

subgenius · 04-29-2006, 03:44 PM

Here is some more info on fight purses. Some UFC fighters do make big cash per fight... Below is the official fight purses for UFC 49 according to the NSAC (all figures are in US dollars):

Ken Shamrock: $170,000 ($120,000 to show, $50,000 to win)
Matt Hughes: $110,000 ($55,000 to show, $55,000 to win)
Frank Mir: $90,000 ($60,000 to show, $30,000 to win)
Kimo Leopoldo: $55,000 ($55,000 to show, win would've been $0)
Tim Sylvia: $40,000 ($40,000 to show, win would've been $40,000)
Evan Tanner: $30,000 ($15,000 to show, $15,000 to win)
Phil Baroni: $20,000 ($20,000 to show, win would've been $20,000)
Frank Trigg: $20,000 ($10,000 to show, $10,000 to win)
Matt Serra: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Renato Verissimo: $10,000 ($10,000 to show, win would've been $10,000)
Georges St-Pierre: $8,000 ($4,000 to show, $4,000 to win)
Trevor Prangley: $5,000 ($2,500 to show, $2,500 to win)
Dennis Hallman: $4,000 ($4,000 to show, win would've been $4,000)
Curtis Stout: $3,000 ($3,000 to show, win would've been $3,000)
Jay Hieron: $3,000 ($3,000 to show, win would've been $3,000)
Ivan Menjivar: $2,000 ($2,000 to show, win would've been $2,000)

Total Fighter Payroll: $586,000

angryjonny · 04-29-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

You are not making sense. Of course six-figures means six-figures. It could be anything from $100,000 to $999,999. Who cares about THAT? But, you have NOT explained the pay-out. You cannot make sense of this by saying that they make nothing except fight purses. Sanchez fought three times in the last year. What did he make per fight? $30,000+ or what?

You know what I am asking for -- a LINK to where you got the data on the pay-outs for any or all UFC contracts. What are the details of any and all contracts? Come on, man. Give us the goods...

Well you weren't specific so I didn't know what link you were talking about. And the six figures is if they win and get the bonus from every fight. It also increases with each win. Not sure about the details of when they lose like Forrest and Joe. But I also listen to 4 different radio shows and read many articles every day. I wouldn't be able to find that info but Diego is making a decent salary and he'll be up to six figures probably by his next fight or two if he wins them. I know he made over 20K for the Diaz fight and he'll probably get that much or more for the Allessio fight.