UFC 61

Snow Patrol · 05-22-2006, 08:07 PM

This fight is also mentioned on the UFC website... so no Forrest/Shamrock after all. I would prefer to see Tito vs Ken anyway. Tito takes this one easily I think by GNP stoppage (Ken is over the hill).

Ring_Raider_07 · 05-22-2006, 08:43 PM

Yeah, I agree 100%. Ken Shamrock needs to retire...

PghPens71 · 05-22-2006, 09:57 PM

I'd rather see Mike Van Arsdale vs Tito, so that says alot.

But since Shamrock/Tito hate each other, I wanna see it. It'll end up being a very ugly S and M session though. Tito the S, Shamrock the M.

Nimmy · 05-23-2006, 06:56 AM

have any of you guys ever seen Tito finish a fight by submission. im having trouble remembering one. he nearly did it to guy mezger

JoeRoganismyhero · 05-23-2006, 07:11 AM

His only UFC win by submission was over Yuki kondo(Neck Crank) at UFC 29

sitnspin · 05-23-2006, 07:27 AM

And yet, wasn't all his hype early on about what a submission expert he is? If memory serves, in the Tapout 2 game, Bruce Buffer even introduces him as "This man is a submission fighter..."

paulpoker · 05-23-2006, 08:57 AM

Ummm, I would not write of shamrock. His recent fights have not shown his abilty as well as some of his fights. Granted he is getting older but then again look at the great Randy the natural, he was able to not only impose his game plan on Tito but dominate him when he took the title from him.

I'm looking forward to this fight

Grave · 05-23-2006, 09:30 AM

Physically i don't believe Ken Shamrock is over the hill, still looks tough and in good shape with the tools in that area. Mentally however, is where ol'shammy seems to be lacking. I don't think shamrock has that "Hungry" state of mind, and the sheer drive to be *WIN,WIN* any more.

Also not much else to strive for either. Afterall the guy is already well established, a UFC legend, a former champion, etc. He has already acheived more than most.

Personally, i just hope he trains the best he ever has for the Ortiz fight, and if he wins it. Retire after and end it with a good victory over Ortiz to go out on.

C'mon Ken, *1 More* big win!

stillstanding · 05-23-2006, 10:06 AM

I believe that Shamrock will matchup really well with Ortiz. He has the chance to win----but-----if Ortiz starts pushing his buttons, Shamrock will get mad and careless like he normally does. If Shamrock can stay calm and stuff Ortiz's takedown, Shamrock has a great chance to pull off an upset.

Eraser2K1NIN · 05-23-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by stillstanding

I believe that Shamrock will matchup really well with Ortiz. He has the chance to win----but-----if Ortiz starts pushing his buttons, Shamrock will get mad and careless like he normally does. If Shamrock can stay calm and stuff Ortiz's takedown, Shamrock has a great chance to pull off an upset.

What from the first fight between the two gives you the impression Shamrock matches up well with Tito?

stillstanding · 05-23-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Eraser2K1NIN

What from the first fight between the two gives you the impression Shamrock matches up well with Tito?

I think that Shamrock is stronger and wants it more than Tito. I believe Shamrock needs to control his temper and he will do fine. Im not saying he will win...but he will do alright.

Nimmy · 05-23-2006, 04:43 PM

i predict shamrocks face to be a more bloody mess than last time

Master Jones · 05-23-2006, 04:56 PM

There is nothing I would like better then to see Ken win this fight. But, That is just not going to happen. Tito is probley going to pound Ken into a bloody pulp again. I wish it would happen the other way around. But, there is just no way he can hang with the younger more well rounded Tito.

Eraser2K1NIN · 05-23-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stillstanding

I think that Shamrock is stronger and wants it more than Tito. I believe Shamrock needs to control his temper and he will do fine. Im not saying he will win...but he will do alright.

Stronger than Tito? Guy looks like the incredible hulk but Tito is going to throw him around the cage again and there is nothing Ken will be able to do about it other than block Tito's elbows with his face again. Tito will get under his skin again and wants it just as much as Ken.

Nimmy · 05-24-2006, 04:40 PM

the difference i feel with the fighters is physce, ken is angry and p@#sed of with Tito and he brings that to the cage, throwing his game plan, Ortiz instigates and controls his aggression, making th arguements in order to put shamrock off, for shamrock to stand any remote chance of winning he must learn to focus and get into a state of mind that he forgets hes even fighting ortiz and treats it like any other fight
and on that note prob get his ass kicked

JeniPeni2005 · 05-26-2006, 02:33 PM

I think Tito will definetely win this one. But what an upset it will be if Shamrock wins!

Vicrattlehead · 05-26-2006, 05:41 PM

hmmm did any of you actually watch the first fight with ken and tito ken had a torn acl and was hobbling around in pain he was about 75% to tito's insane 110% i do agree ken doesn't seem to have the the hunger as he did way back but he is fueled bye complete hated for him and the last few loses he has had i say with confidence that i would give it to ken bye k.o the heart and well if ken doesn't win he could always get frank to go wip tito again lol

Vicrattlehead · 05-26-2006, 05:45 PM

wow sorry for the bad spelling on my last post been busy haveing a warm up fight night for tommorows ufc 60 watching old ufcs from both gracie and matt trying to make a educated guess on who i think will win (drink up ufc fans tommorow may be the biggest sporting event we might ever see)

Nimmy · 05-26-2006, 07:25 PM

hey man 2000 points? how did that happen u have so few posts?
i tink Tito will crush ken again and i think Hughes will win by decsion. looking forward to it, we dont get it to sunday so taking saturday off FF, not to spoil it

Vicrattlehead · 05-26-2006, 07:32 PM

i think i got the points for my post of the ufc 1-59 results