Whats your opinion?

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 05-26-2006, 06:24 PM

Does anybody agree with me that matt hughes can only take people down and give them "slow" beats, meaning most of his fights have gone the distance and hardly finishes his opponents off , without a fence half of his game is gone. his standup technique is very sloppy and although he is strong he rely's too much on the weights and not enough on his technique and speedwork. he tries to improve his all around game but he doesn't have the coordination to improve any further in terms of his standup technique. too much negative transfer for that guy. and believe me i know what i'm talking about when it comes to mma and the street. great fighters are ones who can finish a fight early and are equally skilled on thier feet and on the ground. who strike efficiently when an opening presents itself and with the appropiate strike. who have the killer instinct and matt hughes has none of this. he is just a strong wrestler who won the belt by holding everbody down on the ground giving them the slow beats. his submission wins over trigg and st.pierre, his wins over newton, was his only highlights of his career in the ufc. royce is gonna tap out hughes by triangle.:sport-smi

Vicrattlehead · 05-26-2006, 06:32 PM

i agree with you on that matt comes off a abit slopy but he has greatly inproved it just seems that it comes do to the weight classes all the great fights are in light heavyweight or heavyweight matt's only real challange in the last while was jsp which was just a simple mistake on jsp's part it happens and you move on the same as rich franklin like what big name has that guy faught in the last while?? you can't say nate really even should have been at his level yet and well ken lol i just don't like watching the lower weight classes anymore just not exciting when there is no challange but now matt has 2 people coming after him gracie and a re match with jsp these 2 will be his hardest fights in some time

sitnspin · 05-26-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicrattlehead

i agree with you on that matt comes off a abit slopy but he has greatly inproved it just seems that it comes do to the weight classes all the great fights are in light heavyweight or heavyweight matt's only real challange in the last while was jsp which was just a simple mistake on jsp's part it happens and you move on the same as rich franklin like what big name has that guy faught in the last while?? you can't say nate really even should have been at his level yet and well ken lol i just don't like watching the lower weight classes anymore just not exciting when there is no challange but now matt has 2 people coming after him gracie and a re match with jsp these 2 will be his hardest fights in some time

1. Look into punctuation, friend. It makes posts so much easier to read.

2. All the great fights are at HW and LHW? Name me the last "great" fight at HW. They're usually over in about 2 minutes or less. And there have been many great fights at the lighter weight classes, including LW.

3. It's GSP. It stands for Georges St-Pierre.

Vicrattlehead · 05-26-2006, 07:00 PM

what's wrong with the 2 min fights? do you wanna sit and watch guys bouncing around for 15min i sure don't silva v.s Arlovski - good hw fight. I do agree the hw hasn't been all that exciting but i was trying to say that the lower weights fights are all predictable

Ray433 · 05-26-2006, 07:06 PM

all depends on your personal interst. If you enjoy dudes swingin for the fences and a quick KO entertaining then thats cool. Some people prefer a drawn out endurance and techinical matt work fest.
Personally give me a card with a nice mix of both and I'm happy, but I can't just throw on a Ultimate knockout DvD cause honestly it gets old after a while I think.

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 05-26-2006, 07:09 PM

check out what i said in my original post. tell me what you all think?

sitnspin · 05-26-2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicrattlehead

what's wrong with the 2 min fights? do you wanna sit and watch guys bouncing around for 15min i sure don't silva v.s Arlovski - good hw fight. I do agree the hw hasn't been all that exciting but i was trying to say that the lower weights fights are all predictable

Was Mark Hominick vs Yves Edwards predictable?
How about Spencer Fisher vs Sam Stout?
Joe Riggs vs Nick Diaz?

Ray433 · 05-26-2006, 07:55 PM

To be fair, Riggs vs Diaz felt like both men just weren't really into it. That sure as hell wasn't the Diaz that knocked out Robbie Lawler (but how about that for unpredictable?)

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 05-26-2006, 09:12 PM

check out what i said originally, you guys are missing the whole point.

The 5th "NDN" Hokage · 05-26-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The 5th "NDN" Hokage

Does anybody agree with me that matt hughes can only take people down and give them "slow" beats, meaning most of his fights have gone the distance and hardly finishes his opponents off , without a fence half of his game is gone. his standup technique is very sloppy and although he is strong he rely's too much on the weights and not enough on his technique and speedwork. he tries to improve his all around game but he doesn't have the coordination to improve any further in terms of his standup technique. too much negative transfer for that guy. and believe me i know what i'm talking about when it comes to mma and the street. great fighters are ones who can finish a fight early and are equally skilled on thier feet and on the ground. who strike efficiently when an opening presents itself and with the appropiate strike. who have the killer instinct and matt hughes has none of this. he is just a strong wrestler who won the belt by holding everbody down on the ground giving them the slow beats. his submission wins over trigg and st.pierre, his wins over newton, was his only highlights of his career in the ufc. royce is gonna tap out hughes by triangle.:sport-smi

man, royce is gonna tap that fool!!!!!!!!! haha

hambone · 05-27-2006, 08:35 AM

I agree totally. Matt just can't compete with the BJJ aces. Look at the Penn fight. He came up from 155 and laid a hurtin' on Matt. Where was his strength and powerslams then. Matt's a good fighter until he runs into someone he can't hold down. Enter....... Royce Gracie. Rear naked in the second.... maybe the first.

MFS fan · 05-27-2006, 10:35 AM

As for the Penn fight. Matt said after the fight that he underestimated him going in. He freely admitted it! He knows that Royce is going to be harder. Don't buy into all the trash talking that they're doing, it's just hype. I agree that if it goes to the ground he's going to be in serious trouble and I don't know what he's been working on in the gym to defend this (I haven't talked to Tim Sylvia's sparring partner in a couple weeks). But I still have to pull for our local fighters.

Snow Patrol · 05-27-2006, 11:06 AM

Matt keeps saying he won't undestimate Royce but when he says Royce's chances are 1 in a million. Um. Royce would win one of a million encounters? Sure he's not underestimating Royce!!!

diablerie27 · 05-27-2006, 11:08 AM

i agree with some of what you are saying about hughes but not all of it. i dont think that you can say that a fighter doesnt have a killer insticnt if he doesnt finish fights early. i think that in mma there are so many different fighters with so many different styles that looking at the end result or how the fight ends is not always fair.

he does have fairly sloppy stand up and he does rely on his strength and wrestling but whats wrond with that? liddell relys on his stand up, you have to go with your strengths. anyway i dont know if i got your point or not but that is my two cents.

i think that hughes will beat royce and eventually lose to GSP.

MFS fan · 05-27-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

Matt keeps saying he won't undestimate Royce but when he says Royce's chances are 1 in a million. Um. Royce would win one of a million encounters? Sure he's not underestimating Royce!!!

Like I said don't buy into the trash talking that's been going on. If you read some of the interviews both fighters have given they acknowledge that the other can win the fight at anytime.

I guess I should rephrase what I said before, when it goes to the ground he'll have one heck of a time with Gracie. I'm not saying he's going to dominate Gracie, for anyone to think that is totally ludicrious. Matt has been working alot on his boxing for this fight, I just don't know what kind of preparation he's done for the ground fight. As long as Matt doesn't rush to take Royce down he's got a better chance of winning. He needs to inflict alot of boxing damage before engaging in a ground fight. Matt is taking this fight serious. He didn't think Penn was a threat and didn't train accordingly. As for Royce he is training for it.

As for my pick I hope it Hughes since he's a local but also remember watching Royce at the first UFC's over ten years ago and he' still one of my favorite fighters.

hambone · 05-27-2006, 06:36 PM

You can't take anything away from Matt. I mean,40-4, who else has that kind of a record? Not even Royce Gracie. He's a great fighter but I think he's one dimensional. He's saying he worked on standup in the last couple months but it takes more than a couple months training to really improve your game. And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't I see Royce fighting in K-1 dynamite last year. There's no ground fighting there is there?