Mark Hominick - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

Darton72 · 06-29-2006, 05:08 PM

ok let me start by saying i am a fan of Jorge Gurgel but i do agree he lost that fight last night but, what was up with Hominick running away like he was being chased by the cops or something? I think if i where a judge i may have swayed my score the other way because he didnt want to fight.

Beefutz · 06-29-2006, 05:17 PM

Unfortunately that was the gameplan, keep it standing at all costs. Even if it means running like a .....

Sometimes styles matchup to make sub par fights. Hominick did not show all of his striking skills by trying to stay at range and restraining his kicks to avoid the shot. Gurgle looked good on his feet but not good enough to out point Hominick in what looked like a 3 round boxing match for the most part.

Hominick came in with a winning gameplan that was not an entertaining one. Gurgel could of forced the action by more aggressively pursuing takedowns, but then he could of caught an uppercut or knee and it may of been good night. Both fighters seemed to play it safe from where i was sitting, and that does not make for a very exciting fight.

Anti-Sanchez · 06-29-2006, 05:49 PM

I stated in another thread that I didn't think the Hominick fight was very entertaining but most people disagreed. It just looked to me like Hominick was way too cautious and that really took away from the fights action in my eyes. I can understand Mark not wanting to take it to the ground, but for a world class kick boxer he only threw a handful of kicks because he was being super cautious about Gurgell grabbing his leg and taking it to the ground. I give him props that his strategy won him the fight but it really wasn't that entertaining in my book. You do what you have to do to win the fight and that is exactly what Mark did. Even if it included running away from your opponent in an awkward fasion. Hopefully his next fight is a little more like his fight against Yves and whos off his skills.

the_nothing · 06-29-2006, 05:59 PM

I was under the impression that running away costs you points and he did it a few times, i think. That's why I thought he would lose.

Darton72 · 06-29-2006, 06:07 PM

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I was under the impression that running away costs you points and he did it a few times, i think. That's why I thought he would lose.

yeah i thought that part of the scoring was aggression and running does'nt show any of that.

subgenius · 06-29-2006, 06:18 PM

Hominick and The Crow both ran like scared little school girls in their last fights. If I were a judge, then I would give extra points to the fighter being ran away from.

angryjonny · 06-29-2006, 07:08 PM

He wanted to keep it standing where he knew he would win. He did that and Jorge had nothing he could do. Running away when a fighter is trying to get a takedown is not illegal. He did it three times not that big of a deal. Maybe we should just start saying that you cannot defend a takedown from here on out.

subgenius · 06-29-2006, 07:14 PM

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He wanted to keep it standing where he knew he would win. He did that and Jorge had nothing he could do. Running away when a fighter is trying to get a takedown is not illegal. He did it three times not that big of a deal. Maybe we should just start saying that you cannot defend a takedown from here on out.

I know, but it is frustrating as a fan and for Jorge and Rich. And, turning the back and running from an opponent should not be rewarded. Gurgel even shrugged and held out his arms at the referee and his corner people as if to say, "This coward is running away. What can I do?" You can see on Jorge's face that he was not happy with that tactic at all. I have said it before, defending is not the best way to win a match. But, apparently, it can be done. Just get in the octagon and run laps. Stay away from the opponent and get the decision.

The ONLY reason that Hominick won that match was because Gurgel was willing to take risks. He threw some high kicks, and Hominick caught them and sweeped Jorge's support. They called them takedowns, but Hominick did not pursue to the ground. I lost all respect for Hominick in this fight. He washed away any respect he gained with his defeat of Yves Edwards. And, he showed that he is very much afraid of Jorge Gurgel.

PghPens71 · 06-29-2006, 07:18 PM

I think it was a good fight, compared to evans.. good lord.
He's a great boxer so I think running to keep it standing and striking as opposed to getting taken down with Jorge's ground game and getting submitted possibly isn't a big deal. That's not his game and Gurgel will work a liiiiiiiiiittle more than Evans on the ground. I like Hominick and I was glad he got the decision there.

subgenius · 06-29-2006, 07:21 PM

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I think it was a good fight, compared to evans.. good lord.
He's a great boxer so I think running to keep it standing and striking as opposed to getting taken down with Jorge's ground game and getting submitted possibly isn't a big deal. That's not his game and Gurgel will work a liiiiiiiiiittle more than Evans on the ground. I like Hominick and I was glad he got the decision there.

He did get the decision, and it was because of the sweeps and takedowns. The striking was terrible. And, when have you EVER seen a great striker like Liddell or Franklin turn their backs on the opponent and run away like a scared little girl? Good strikers get in there and strike. They take risks and use the sprawl to avoid a takedown -- not running like a school girl. I have zero respect for this tactic. And, zero respeck for Hominick, which makes me made because I liked seeing him against Yves Edwards.

And, Hominick is not just a striker. He did beat Edwards on the ground. But, he got submitted by Hatsu Hioki right after he beat Edwards. I think that he got scared and he ran like he was scared.

Darton72 · 06-29-2006, 07:21 PM

I dont know, other then the first round i thought forest griffen defended the takedown from Tito Ortiz rather well. I am not saying i do not agree with Hominick wanting to keep the fight standing, just saying that IMO he should have lost points for running away like he was in a marathon.

angryjonny · 06-29-2006, 07:32 PM

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I know, but it is frustrating as a fan and for Jorge and Rich. And, turning the back and running from an opponent should not be rewarded. Gurgel even shrugged and held out his arms at the referee and his corner people as if to say, "This coward is running away. What can I do?" You can see on Jorge's face that he was not happy with that tactic at all. I have said it before, defending is not the best way to win a match. But, apparently, it can be done. Just get in the octagon and run laps. Stay away from the opponent and get the decision.

The ONLY reason that Hominick won that match was because Gurgel was willing to take risks. He threw some high kicks, and Hominick caught them and sweeped Jorge's support. They called them takedowns, but Hominick did not pursue to the ground. I lost all respect for Hominick in this fight. He washed away any respect he gained with his defeat of Yves Edwards. And, he showed that he is very much afraid of Jorge Gurgel.

Well I'm sure you are frustrated as a fan of one guy or the other. And Jorge was frustrated because he knew he was losing and could not win on the feet. Also I doubt that Hominick was "rewarded" for running away. I am pretty sure he was rewarded for out striking Jorge in a match that was entirely on the feet. It wasn't the best match in the world but Jorge can be frustrated all he wants but that's not going to win him fights by sticking his arms out and saying WTF. The reason Hominick won was because he shut down Jorge's takedowns because he knew he could win on the feet. Same way that Liddell has won some fights. Is Liddell afraid of fighters that he doesn't let them take him down?

subgenius · 06-29-2006, 07:47 PM

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Well I'm sure you are frustrated as a fan of one guy or the other. And Jorge was frustrated because he knew he was losing and could not win on the feet. Also I doubt that Hominick was "rewarded" for running away. I am pretty sure he was rewarded for out striking Jorge in a match that was entirely on the feet. It wasn't the best match in the world but Jorge can be frustrated all he wants but that's not going to win him fights by sticking his arms out and saying WTF. The reason Hominick won was because he shut down Jorge's takedowns because he knew he could win on the feet. Same way that Liddell has won some fights. Is Liddell afraid of fighters that he doesn't let them take him down?

He was definately rewarded for turning his back and running away from the opponent. He was definaetly rewarded for not pushing the action. Hominick and Evans both helped to ruin UFN5. It was by far the worst event of the year. Jorge could not do well striking because Hominick ran away like a scared school girl. Hominick did not stuff takedowns, he fled them. The only thing that Hominick did in this fight that had any sense was the sweep of Jorge's leg when Jorge high kicked. BUT, Hominick ruined that by having NOTHING to follow up with.

And, do not try to use Liddell to help you in this discussion. He is not at all a guy that has turned his back on his oppponent, ran away like a girl, and avoided taking absolutely any risk. Liddell KO's people straight up. He uses the sprawls to avoid and stuff (yes, he stuffs) the takedowns. He stands and punches the guy rather than fleeing the opponent like the guy was on fire.

angryjonny · 06-29-2006, 08:00 PM

Haha. Okay I'm done. After you said this was the worst event I believe you losing almost all your bets has something to do with that. This was one of the better events and the best UFN so far. I think you are upset because all your "boys" lost. It's okay though I know you don't take those losses very well. Cummo vs. Goulet was one of the better fights this year. Leben getting owned was priceless and seeing the TUF boys go down was rather nice.

By your definition of getting owned or dominated that you gave after the BJ and St. Pierre fight. I'll just go ahead and say Jorge got owned!

sitnspin · 06-29-2006, 08:39 PM

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Haha. Okay I'm done. After you said this was the worst event I believe you losing almost all your bets has something to do with that. This was one of the better events and the best UFN so far. I think you are upset because all your "boys" lost. It's okay though I know you don't take those losses very well. Cummo vs. Goulet was one of the better fights this year. Leben getting owned was priceless and seeing the TUF boys go down was rather nice.

By your definition of getting owned or dominated that you gave after the BJ and St. Pierre fight. I'll just go ahead and say Jorge got owned!

I agree 100% with Ricardo Arona's boyfriend. I had a great time watching last night's matches, including the Hominick fight. It was a good kickboxing match with a lot of strategy. Hominick came in with a game plan based around NOT going to the floor with a BJJ black belt (especially considering that he got choked out in his last fight) and he was able to execute it. Look at the guys who vowed to stand in front of their opponent and trade punches who ended up getting KTFO. Hominick's crafty, and as I said in another thread, he's got reflexes like Krazy Horse Bennett. Go back and watch the way he'd land a shot or two and then slip the counter like he was Neo dodging bullets. My girlfriend came home on the commercial break right after that fight and I was pumped! I said, "You just missed a really exciting fight!"

Sure, the times when Hominick ran weren't pretty, but when he was winning the round it wasn't at all the same as Loiseau fleeing because he was getting the daylights pounded out of him. And it's why the ref didn't have to warn him the way they warned Loiseau. It was just a couple of steps to throw off Gurgel's rhythm, then he was right back at him.

L0cusT · 06-30-2006, 06:59 AM

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Jorge could not do well striking because Hominick ran away like a scared school girl.

lol!

i really disagree

i think you like Jorge too munch

JoeRoganismyhero · 06-30-2006, 07:10 AM

UFC Rule 29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.

I think Hominick broke rule 29 by running away from his opponent, but so did Loiseau and the ref didn't say anything to either fighter in their fights.

angryjonny · 06-30-2006, 09:33 AM

Avoiding a takedown is not timidity. Maybe the one where he turned around to get away so he would have got a warning but I think someone is overreacting waaaaaayyy too much. There is not even a comparison to Loiseau and Hominick. Hominick brought it, Loiseau didn't except for one punch.

JoeRoganismyhero · 06-30-2006, 09:58 AM

Yeah that's the one I meant when he turned around and actually ran, and Gurgel made fun of him with a mock running motion of his own. I'm just pointing out that it is a rule and a warning should have definately been given to Hominick!

sitnspin · 06-30-2006, 11:03 AM

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The striking was terrible.

Once again, what you see in fights appears to have been filtered through your own bias. The striking was NOT terrible. The striking was fast and tight and accurate from both fighters, with great defensive movement from the head to the feet. You know the way people call BJJ human chess? The Hominick-Gurgel fight was every bit as much of a chess match, and Hominick did just enough to pull out the win against a dangerous opponent, and I give him full credit and respect for doing it.