Question About The Use Of The Cage In Fights - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

WheresBobbySouthworth · 06-30-2006, 10:13 PM

I was just watching Carlos Newton vs Matt Hughes, where Hughes powerbombs Newton unconscious off the cage and it got me thinking; what's the rules for the cage? I mean, what can and can't fighters do with it. I was wondering during the Alessio-Sanchez fight why Alessio didn't try banging Sanchez's head or back against the cage to get him off his back. I really got no clue how fighters are allowed to use the cage. I'd appreciate the info.

subgenius · 06-30-2006, 10:40 PM

From what I can tell, fighters are not allowed to grab the cage. They can press an opponent against it, but I have yet to see anyone grind a face against it (as might be seen in pro-wrestling cage matches). But, as for banging an opponent against it, like if Alessio tried to do that to Sanchez, well I do not know. I have never seen that done in the UFC.

RockemSockem · 07-01-2006, 12:24 AM

I don't think it would be illegal, i think it would just expend too much energy for the likelyhood that it would actually accomplish anything. I don't think they'd be allowed to rub someone's face across the cage intentionally though. But that's just my logic.

Snow Patrol · 07-01-2006, 12:27 AM

Hmmm, interesting. Is there a penalty/reward for throwing your opponent out of the octagon? The cage is pretty high so has it ever been done?

angryjonny · 07-01-2006, 12:32 AM

I don't think there is any rule against it. No one has ever done it in UFC as far as I can recall.

In Pride Matsui slammed Pele into the ring post several times and it was kind of effective.

subgenius · 07-01-2006, 09:42 AM

It would take a big, strong man to lift another guy over his head and toss them out of the Octagon. I know we see that in pro-wrestling, but the guy being lifted and thrown is helping by going as rigid as he can. That move is for effect. It still hurts to fall from seven or fifteen feet to a concrete floor, but it is just not the same as in the Octagon. It is a tremendous waste of energy to even try to do that...

Ray433 · 07-01-2006, 10:55 AM

Actually according to UFC.com throwing an opponent out of the ring is considered a foul.

07-01-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

Hmmm, interesting. Is there a penalty/reward for throwing your opponent out of the octagon? The cage is pretty high so has it ever been done?

There was a moment in the Coleman/Frye title fight where Coleman had lifted Frye up and looked as though he could've tossed him over the top.

On a less impressive note, remember Rocky throwing Thunderlips over the top rope in Rocky III?

On an even less impressive note I once daydreamed about jumping off the top of the Octagon ala Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka into the audience where an unsuspecting Leo Dicaprio is sitting, snorting coke with his boys, and then getting the 3 count on him (only because Leo unconvincingly played a tough guy in Gangs Of New York and would've ruined an otherwise good movie if it hadn't been for Daniel Day Lewis. That'd teach him for reaching too far...).

07-01-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

It would take a big, strong man to lift another guy over his head and toss them out of the Octagon. I know we see that in pro-wrestling, but the guy being lifted and thrown is helping by going as rigid as he can. That move is for effect. It still hurts to fall from seven or fifteen feet to a concrete floor, but it is just not the same as in the Octagon. It is a tremendous waste of energy to even try to do that...

You are the "yin" to my "yang"...

Come on dude, waste of energy?

Was it a waste of energy when Hughes ran Trigg across the Octagon and dumped him like a sack of potatos? Hell no...well, technically "yes", but it was a powerful statement and a thing of beauty (can you believe when they recapped the highlights of the fight that evening, the dumb apes didn't even show that moment?).

Tossing an opponent over the top would be a guaranteed DQ, put the other fighter in emerg, and put you on every sports highlight reel in the galaxy

MadOne · 07-01-2006, 02:16 PM

UFC rule Fouls:#19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.

From what I understand you can not use your hands to hold your self up or use your hands to hang on the fence but it does seem you can use your feet/toes to move your self around if your on your back.

KenShamrock1191 · 07-01-2006, 02:21 PM

i have never heard about anyone getting thrown over the cage, but i have seen a video of a guy getting thrown into the door and go flying out. he just got pushed back into the octagon and ended up winning the fight.

subgenius · 07-01-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Napalm

You are the "yin" to my "yang"...

Come on dude, waste of energy?

Was it a waste of energy when Hughes ran Trigg across the Octagon and dumped him like a sack of potatos? Hell no...well, technically "yes", but it was a powerful statement and a thing of beauty (can you believe when they recapped the highlights of the fight that evening, the dumb apes didn't even show that moment?).

Tossing an opponent over the top would be a guaranteed DQ, put the other fighter in emerg, and put you on every sports highlight reel in the galaxy

Maybe you misunderstood. I am talking about a full press slam over the top of the Octagon cage. It is very hard to lift an unwilling man over your head completely and tossing them over the top of the Octagon cage. THAT was what I meant by a waste of energy. I like Hughes' slams. Those are different.

the preach man · 07-01-2006, 04:08 PM

In the early days of the UFC you were allowed to 'throw' an opponet out of the octagon. To my knowledge it was never done, however, Tank Abbot almost did it one time. I remember the commentators saying "This has never been done, can tank win it like this" or something like that.

MadOne · 07-01-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the preach man

In the early days of the UFC you were allowed to 'throw' an opponet out of the octagon. To my knowledge it was never done, however, Tank Abbot almost did it one time. I remember the commentators saying "This has never been done, can tank win it like this" or something like that.

During that time maybe.. I remember watching fights where the fighter would put his hand over the mouth of the other fighter. I was thinking... wow... thats one way to win.

ShaggyDave · 07-02-2006, 12:44 AM

The cage is a hinderence to the what the goal of the sport should be. When any part of the surrounding area of the fight can be used to win a fight, it ultimately takes away from the true nature of the sport. I think the UFC has done everything it needs to do to have it's referees controlling this, and that the octagon is the signature of the promotion. The UFC should not get rid of their Octagon but I think most of the purists will always prefer to watch their fights in a ring.

the preach man · 07-02-2006, 02:49 AM

I LOVE watching my fights in the cage. It just doesnt seem 'natural' to me watching pride in a 'ring'.

Jras0001 · 07-02-2006, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by the preach man

In the early days of the UFC you were allowed to 'throw' an opponet out of the octagon. To my knowledge it was never done, however, Tank Abbot almost did it one time. I remember the commentators saying "This has never been done, can tank win it like this" or something like that.

Ya, Tank lifted this guy up over his head and was trying to toss him over the octagon rail and just about did it too if he had been a bit taller. I was at that event and it was pretty cool seeing it in person. Man, that was a long time ago.

subgenius · 07-02-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaggyDave

The cage is a hinderence to the what the goal of the sport should be. When any part of the surrounding area of the fight can be used to win a fight, it ultimately takes away from the true nature of the sport. I think the UFC has done everything it needs to do to have it's referees controlling this, and that the octagon is the signature of the promotion. The UFC should not get rid of their Octagon but I think most of the purists will always prefer to watch their fights in a ring.

No, a purist would have no ring, no octagon, and just a flat matted area. The problem with that is that people like The Crow and Hominick will run away from their opponents and run out into the audience and into the arenas lobby or the locker room area. At least the cage confines these runners to a tighter area.

ShaggyDave · 07-02-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

No, a purist would have no ring, no octagon, and just a flat matted area. The problem with that is that people like The Crow and Hominick will run away from their opponents and run out into the audience and into the arenas lobby or the locker room area. At least the cage confines these runners to a tighter area.

You are right, a flat matted area would be better than both a cage and ring, but as far as the cage vs. ring debate goes for sanctioned fights, I would think that the ring will end up being the more dominant of the two choices for the world of MMA.

David Loiseau is anything but a runner. The guy has dominated most of the people he has been up against by taking advantage of their over confidence when he gives them his back in the fight. He puts himself or allows himself to be put in one of the most vunerable positions in the sport on a regular basis, just to get his opponent where he wants him. If the Franklin fight is what you are basing this theory on then we watched a different fight. Loiseau took alot of punishment yes, alot more than I think most fighters could have or would have taken and in the end he was still around to visit Franklin in the hospital. There is no running in the Crows vocabulary.

Brad · 07-02-2006, 09:48 AM

Didn't Tank almost lift someone out of the cage in a UFC fight?

Sorry Jras didn't see your post