UFC vs WWE

Bomber · 07-04-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Dude if I would have known t-ball has a pro league I would have stuck with it.

Is there any difference between tee-ball and golf, really?

subgenius · 07-04-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

Is there any difference between tee-ball and golf, really?

T-Ball allows you to club the basemen with the wiffle-ball bat. You can't do that in golf... Or, can you? Hmm...

MMA_Fanatic · 07-04-2006, 09:05 PM

Not that it would happen, but would they test the WWE contestant for steroids? Not saying Angle has been on them, but many of the WWE talent has, and it would be an unfair advantage (considering the argument that weight classes would already not exist).

Personally, DW should not touch an idea like this with a 10 foot pole unless he wants to kill the UFC credibility. He (and the UFC) are making great strides in the main stream; no need to whore (sorry admins) MMA out for ratings.

angryjonny · 07-04-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MMA_Fanatic

Not that it would happen, but would they test the WWE contestant for steroids? Not saying Angle has been on them, but many of the WWE talent has, and it would be an unfair advantage (considering the argument that weight classes would already not exist).

Personally, DW should not touch an idea like this with a 10 foot pole unless he wants to kill the UFC credibility. He (and the UFC) are making great strides in the main stream; no need to whore (sorry admins) MMA out for ratings.

Regarding steroids. I think a lot of people have a misconception about them and especially the testing in the UFC. They test only title fights/main events, and 1 random testing (I think). The testing is also not something that would be difficult for a user to get by.

I totally agree with the second part though. I think and hope that Dana shouldn't even acknowledge this kind of thing. I would be disappointed if they did and as I said earlier they have too much to risk while WWE doesn't. It's a lose/lose situation. Honestly, who would care if Chuck went over to WWE and knocked a pro wrestler out? But think of the headlines WWE would make if a golden boy of MMA got beat by a pro wrestler.

Iceman/HB Bad boy/Pitbull · 07-05-2006, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MMA_Fanatic

Not that it would happen, but would they test the WWE contestant for steroids? Not saying Angle has been on them, but many of the WWE talent has, and it would be an unfair advantage (considering the argument that weight classes would already not exist).

Personally, DW should not touch an idea like this with a 10 foot pole unless he wants to kill the UFC credibility. He (and the UFC) are making great strides in the main stream; no need to whore (sorry admins) MMA out for ratings.

I am a wrestling fan and a MMA fan...plus a bunch of other sports which most i can't play or compet in. I would like to state that the WWE now has a drug policy and they are tested for steriods and other drugs, no one is allowed to take them which if you follow it you can now tell which ones were on the juice and which ones weren't....quite funny really cause there starting to get fat, LOL
oo and BTW Kurt Angle is not wrestling now not sure if it was injuries or what, i think it is that Angle like other wrestlers are just tired of WWE's crap. Thats just what i have read and heard. nothing is a sure thing in wrestling even if it is somtimes predictable.

so if there was goin to be a wwe vs ufc i don't think it will be him doing it... unless his little break here means hes traing for a mma fight, but i don't think so.
has anyone thought that it could be a wwe wrestler against say Ken Shamrock who has been a prowrestler and a wrestling champion for WWE and TNA.
i really don't hope this happens cause the WWE is only saying this cause they are not drawing in fans like they used to and they need somthing new and differnent.....and the only reason i can think of the UFC doing this would be to promote the UFC more....but i don't think either will benifitt from this.

TaddT189 · 07-05-2006, 09:18 AM

I think that the WWE superstars would win because when Ken Shamrock went over there he got killed, j/k. I think that WWE wrestlers would not be that bad. Majority of them are big, and athletic. Look what Brad Imes and Tim Sylvia are doing to the HW division they are both big and pretty athletic guys. The biggest thing that would hurt the WWE's "fighters" would be the steroid test and the 265 weight cap. I think that Batista, Angle, and that black wrestler (Ben somethinig) would be pretty successful. Not on Liddell's level but I think they could definatley turn heads.

subgenius · 07-05-2006, 09:28 AM

The WWE owns ECW. Kurt Angle is now the main superstar on ECW along with RVD, the Big Show, Sabu, and now Test. Oddly enough, it was Test that tested positive at a WWE steroids test that caused him to be suspended for over a year. The WWE made an example of him. It is kind of funny that the guy uses the name "Test" and he got tested and failed. He just made his debut return on ECW on Sci-Fi last night.

If the UFC had no upper limit to their HW division, then some WWE/ECW pro-wrestlers would likely do well. It is hard to imagine anyone being able to beat the Big Show easily. At 502 pounds, he is a real monster. He is also not a huge fat guy like most men that big usually are in our world. He does have some natural girth, but this guy is also muscular and strong. Like Andre the Giant, the Big Show only loses when he wants to allow someone to beat him. It would not be like with Giant Silva, if the Big Show fought any MMA heavyweights...

subgenius · 07-05-2006, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TaddT189

I think that the WWE superstars would win because when Ken Shamrock went over there he got killed, j/k. I think that WWE wrestlers would not be that bad. Majority of them are big, and athletic. Look what Brad Imes and Tim Sylvia are doing to the HW division they are both big and pretty athletic guys. The biggest thing that would hurt the WWE's "fighters" would be the steroid test and the 265 weight cap. I think that Batista, Angle, and that black wrestler (Ben somethinig) would be pretty successful. Not on Liddell's level but I think they could definatley turn heads.

Shamrock did well in the WWE and in TNA. Vince McMahon has always paid real fighters the top dollars and allowed them to have winning contracts. Many athletes from other sports have done well in the WWE (and the old WWF). Just because of who Chuck Liddell is in MMA, McMahon would make him an instant winner and an instant sensation in the WWE or in ECW. The Iceman would go on a huge winning streak that would only be stopped by one of the WWE's or ECW's best -- like Angle or RVD. Liddell would maul everyone else.

Oh, and you mean Shelton Benjamin. But, there is also Charlie Hass. Both are in the WWE, and both have real NCAA wrestling experience. They were brought in by Kurt Angle and trained by Angle. They have real skills. I am not sure that they would do well in MMA, but they do know how to seriously wrestle. Shelton has a more marketable personality, and so Hass has not been a main event status pro-wrestler over the last few years. He just made a recent come-back... so, he may have been training to be more marketable.

Also, Tito Ortiz was in TNA. He did really well there without ever having a match. He trained some pro-wrestlers in some MMA. A few times he stormed the ring to help his friends. He put the RNC on four different pro-wrestlers as they came to the ring one-by-one to try to stop him. He choked them all out.

TaddT189 · 07-05-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Shamrock did well in the WWE and in TNA. Vince McMahon has always paid real fighters the top dollars and allowed them to have winning contracts. Many athletes from other sports have done well in the WWE (and the old WWF). Just because of who Chuck Liddell is in MMA, McMahon would make him an instant winner and an instant sensation in the WWE or in ECW. The Iceman would go on a huge winning streak that would only be stopped by one of the WWE's or ECW's best -- like Angle or RVD. Liddell would maul everyone else.

Oh, and you mean Shelton Benjamin. But, there is also Charlie Hass. Both are in the WWE, and both have real NCAA wrestling experience. They were brought in by Kurt Angle and trained by Angle. They have real skills. I am not sure that they would do well in MMA, but they do know how to seriously wrestle. Shelton has a more marketable personality, and so Hass has not been a main event status pro-wrestler over the last few years. He just made a recent come-back... so, he may have been training to be more marketable.

Also, Tito Ortiz was in TNA. He did really well there without ever having a match. He trained some pro-wrestlers in some MMA. A few times he stormed the ring to help his friends. He put the RNC on four different pro-wrestlers as they came to the ring one-by-one to try to stop him. He choked them all out.

I wasn't being serious about WWE wrestlers beating UFC fighters. lol.

Heatwaves · 12-04-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MadOne

The idea of any Fake-Cartoon-Actor WWE fighter taken on a MMA.. is such a joke to me. I can't even see how anyone can even compare the two.

Well said. Angle is a vagina in my book. He had the opportunity to take his skills and bring it to a sport where he could fight like a man. Instead he chooses to make-believe play fight. I don't care if he did it because he got more money from the WWE. In fact, I think that makes him much worse of a person if that's why he did it.

That being said. Dana is no moron. If Angle did ever agree to a fight, he wouldn't allow him to immediately fight Chuck. He set him up with a second-tier dude first. That way, Angle looks bad if he loses, but Dana and the UFC saves face if he wins.

I think Angle could have actually been a factor in MMA, too bad he'll never agree to fight.

Heatwaves · 12-04-2006, 10:47 PM

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[font="Courier New"]Believe me, there are a ton of MMA fighters that would seriously get beat by Kurt Angle. And, there are other pro-wrestlers that could beat a lot of MMA fighters.

I'm sorry but that is just absolutely ridiculous. It's like saying that the basketball players from "Hoosiers" could beat some NBA players one-on-one. Pro wrestlers are "athletic actors", that's all. I could concede that Kurt Angle may be an exception to the rule due to his exceptional wrestling background, but the rest are actors, nothing more. Remember when most people first started watching MMA and thought the most biggest or most muscular guy would win? It's like that. How you look and how you act has nothing to do with true fighting ability.

Heatwaves · 12-04-2006, 10:54 PM

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I will go ahead and admit a bias, I hate nearly everything about pro-'wrestling'.
That being said, I really can't see Angle doing well against 90% of the MMA fighters just popping up in my head with even a remotely comparable weight. The issue of weight class is of course completely irrelevant, a cross-promotion of this kind would be labeled a super-fight. The same goes for any of the other wrestlers of any size. Given a thirty pound window for basing matches, wrestlers always lose.

I agree. Kurt Angle would put up a great championship fight... against Sean Sherk. Actually, I would love to see him fight anyone in the UFC, but it will never happen.

2Shae · 12-05-2006, 02:57 AM

I think Most people in Pro Wrestling would get there asses kicked.

The Only people that would stand a chance are:

Kurt Angle
Elijah Burke
Sylvester Terkay
The Great Khali

2Shae · 12-05-2006, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Heatwaves

I agree. Kurt Angle would put up a great championship fight... against Sean Sherk. Actually, I would love to see him fight anyone in the UFC, but it will never happen.

Why wouldnt it ever happen?

Normo · 12-05-2006, 03:05 AM

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I think Most people in Pro Wrestling would get there asses kicked.

The Only people that would stand a chance are:

Kurt Angle
Elijah Burke
Sylvester Terkay
The Great Khali

The Great Khali - thats a funny 1, he is incredibly slow and cant really do much at that height. He would be fighting people the same weight as him and he would get taken down and pounded. The WWE always make big claims and invite anybody to fight them (recently they said a tag team, would fight anyone, so TNA accepted but got turned down). The WWE would never accept anything from another organization unless something was planned and it was all set up.

Also if UFC did beat WWE it would hurt there ratings in my opinion, because it would publicize UFC is better (and real) than the WWE therefore the fans will most likely watch UFC.

Wrestlers have normally done ok in the UFC though (Ken Shamrock, soon to be Brock Lesnar in K1) but I couldn't see Kurt Angle doing much with his injuries , etc

Malf · 12-05-2006, 04:00 AM

I think that The Undertaker might have a chance against Dana White. My money's on Dana though.

Seriously, is this thread for real?!

2Shae · 12-05-2006, 04:22 AM

The thing is Pro Wrestling and MMA are two different things. Pro Wrestlers cant fight but Fighters cant Wrestle (Pro).

i'm sure most people in Wrestling couldnt fight like a Fighter in the UFC

But i bet most people in the UFC Couldnt do things like this

And the Coolest Move ever

MTKrav911 · 12-05-2006, 11:43 AM

If I were the UFC I'd pit it as a match of non steroid athletes (the UFC guy) vs. Steroid Athletes (the WWE guy) and prove once and for all (at least in fighting) that steroids do not enhance your performance. They just make you look good!

Jras0001 · 12-05-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

If I were the UFC I'd pit it as a match of non steroid athletes (the UFC guy) vs. Steroid Athletes (the WWE guy) and prove once and for all (at least in fighting) that steroids do not enhance your performance. They just make you look good!

If that were the case, then no state's athletic commission would sanction the fight. Also, If Kurt Angle were to challenge Liddell, he would have to cut a bit of weight to be able to fight him at 205. Any fights that were to take place and would be sanctioned by the athletic commissions would have to within the same weight class and there would have to be drug tests, so the fighters would have to be off the roids. That might be a bit much to ask for some of today's Pro Wrestlers....

Gooner · 12-05-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Shae

But i bet most people in the UFC Couldnt do things like this

I bet they could.

They're top athletes in the UFC, who train pretty much every aspect physically possible. Wrestling, subs, striking, cardio, strength... do you really think most of them can't control their bodies enough to make a freakin' backflip from a higher surface like that? Please.

It just doesn't make sense to most people. Yeah, the WWE-ring is a soft landing spot with strings and everything, but those guys still hurt each other constantly. Hence the pain-medication frenzy. I guess money/fame can make some people do anything.