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Ray433 · 07-02-2006, 12:57 PM

So WWE has recently been having Kurt Angle use a shoot fighting style gimmick

A friend of mine sent me this article from Impactwrestling.com

According to the Wrestling-Observer Newsletter, a highly-ranked UFC official said that the company no longer plans to ignore WWE's public "challenges."

While UFC let Angle's storyline "open challenge" to anyone from a 4-, 6- or 8-sided ring go unaddressed, it will not be doing that in the future. If WWE attempts to put one of its wrestlers over as superior to MMA fighters, it will respond to put public pressure on WWE to make the match happen.

"Now that we have exposure, we're not going to be ignoring stuff like this. We'll go public and have Chuck Liddell accept any public challenges or claims they'll make," the source said.

That would be amazing, if WWE went off at the mouth like that and someone from UFC was in the house to actually answer the call and put angle down quick. I know the cat won a gold medal, but it doesn't mean he could go toe to toe with a guy like Chuck.

angryjonny · 07-02-2006, 01:03 PM

So UFC would put Chuck in with WWE guys but not against Silva???

I don't think I can buy this.

MadOne · 07-02-2006, 01:53 PM

I hope that the UFC knows the diffrence between getting exposure for its self compared to making a joke out of its self/MMA. Not trying to insult any "Pro" Wrestling fans but the idea of having a MMA fighter take on a cartoon character from WWE or who ever is laughable.
I don't watch it.. but if they are trying to mention UFC style fights in there scripts then it just showes the directors have taken notice of the popularity of MMA and maybe trying to keep the wavering fans focused on them.

Ray433 · 07-02-2006, 02:08 PM

But wouldn't UFC make a point by having Liddell answer a challenge to a real sanctioned fight, and knock the guy out in the first round?

angryjonny · 07-02-2006, 02:44 PM

But what would happen if Angle avoids getting knocked out and throws him around like a rag doll? I don't know if anything could be more emberassing for Chuck and the UFC.

Ray433 · 07-02-2006, 04:04 PM

Then that speaks volumes and Angle is offered a contract

angryjonny · 07-02-2006, 04:26 PM

True. But what I am saying is that is a risk I just don't think UFC (or almost any org) is willing to make. If Chuck is going to fight anyone it's going to be in his backyard to a UFC fighter. Maybe if they are going to risk a fighter losing to an actor I just don't think it would ever be their champion. They have enough problems with just risking a loss against another MMA fighter in another org.

Nimmy · 07-02-2006, 05:27 PM

Maybe if they are going to risk a fighter losing to an actor I just don't think it would ever be their champion. They have enough problems with just risking a loss against another MMA fighter in another org.[/quote]

you cant call Kurt Angle an "actor" yes agreed he competes in a fixed enviornment, but he is a deserved gold medalist wrestler, this guy is a real life situation is a better wrestler than anyone in the UFC, do u really think in the octogan angle would pull off clotheslines and bronco busters? i think not, he would be purewrestling, down to the matt, suplexes,and so forth.

yes chuck can fight but calling an olympic wrestler an actor is like saying MMA isnt a sport. lets be realistic

PghPens71 · 07-02-2006, 05:33 PM

Triple Threat Texas Death Match.

Liddell
Silva
Angle

Ray433 · 07-02-2006, 05:40 PM

I just don't think Angle is as big a threat as the angle from the olympics. The guy is so beat up and batterd and can't possibly train as muchas he used to now that he is on the road constantly.
I take nothing away from the level of athleticism and skill the man has, but he isn't near his prime physically anymore.

angryjonny · 07-02-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimmy

you cant call Kurt Angle an "actor" yes agreed he competes in a fixed enviornment, but he is a deserved gold medalist wrestler, this guy is a real life situation is a better wrestler than anyone in the UFC, do u really think in the octogan angle would pull off clotheslines and bronco busters? i think not, he would be purewrestling, down to the matt, suplexes,and so forth.

yes chuck can fight but calling an olympic wrestler an actor is like saying MMA isnt a sport. lets be realistic

I know about Angle's accomplishments outside of WWE. He is a pro-wreslter. Therefore he is an actor. Didn't you see where I said what would happen if Angle throws Chuck around like a ragdoll? I said that because it is very possible.

Nimmy · 07-02-2006, 05:44 PM

what age would he be, would be interesting to find the ages of these wrestlers, you can have a longer career in prowresltling than many other "sports", i.e. Rik Flair and Hulk Hogan

Ray433 · 07-02-2006, 06:04 PM

Not sure his age but last I heard he had all kinds of neck problems, numbness in his left side and torn rib cartilage if not more stuff. Plus his schedual can't allow for MMA level training

Grave · 07-02-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

But what would happen if Angle avoids getting knocked out and throws him around like a rag doll? I don't know if anything could be more emberassing for Chuck and the UFC.

Wouldn't happen. Angle may be a true olympic-level *WRESTLER*, but he is NOT a *Fighter* like Chuck is. Big difference there.

If in a strictly wrestling rules match only, Angle could probabley beat Chuck. But if its a Fight MMA-Style we're talking about, chuck would beat angle's ass like he was a UFC rookie.

Also wrestling while its technically "fake", guys like Angle have a grocery list of injuries from all the slams, bumps, etc they constantly take. Fighters in UFC get slammed around too but nowhere near as much or as often, as WWE guys starring in shows year-round.

After all the nagging injuries and surgeries in Angle's 7-8 year WWE career, condition-wise it would be like chuck fighting some old dude.

angryjonny · 07-02-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Grave

Wouldn't happen. Angle may be a true olympic-level *WRESTLER*, but he is NOT a *Fighter* like Chuck is. Big difference there.

If in a strictly wrestling rules match only, Angle could probabley beat Chuck. But if its a Fight MMA-Style we're talking about, chuck would beat angle's ass like he was a UFC rookie.

Also wrestling while its technically "fake", guys like Angle have a grocery list of injuries from all the slams, bumps, etc they constantly take. Fighters in UFC get slammed around too but nowhere near as much or as often, as WWE guys starring in shows year-round.

After all the nagging injuries and surgeries in Angle's 7-8 year WWE career, condition-wise it would be like chuck fighting some old dude.

Just like Rashad wouldn't be able to beat Bonnar by just wrestling, right? Oh wait. He already did that.

Grave · 07-02-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Just like Rashad wouldn't be able to beat Bonnar by just wrestling, right? Oh wait. He already did that.

I like Stephen bonnar but really, he is a rookie compared to chuck. The stuff Rashad did would NEVER fly with him.

Anyway we're not talking about Bonnar or Rashad here. This is CHUCK and ANGLE.

angryjonny · 07-02-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Grave

I like Stephen bonnar but really, he is a rookie compared to chuck. The stuff Rashad did would NEVER fly with him.

Anyway we're not talking about Bonnar or Rashad here. This is CHUCK and ANGLE.

I know that but that was just a comparison I was using to say you don't need much else to win under UFC rules if you are good enough at wrestling. I thought everyone knew that. And it's not like I am saying that Angle is equivalent to Rashad. Angle has the wrestling abilities that even Couture would have been jealous of back in his day.

Ray433 · 07-02-2006, 07:06 PM

Also, Chuck can stuff a takedown like noone's buisness, and was a division one wrestler when he was younger

angryjonny · 07-02-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray433

Also, Chuck can stuff a takedown like noone's buisness, and was a division one wrestler when he was younger

Chuck's sprawl is good there is no doubting that. The difference is he was on a good wrestling team. He never really accomplished anything there though. While Angle was a two time NCAA Division I champ and a three time Division I All-American champ.

All I am saying is it would be stupid for Dana to risk his golden boy losing to a pro wrestler. I'm not saying that is guranteed to happen. The same way that someone can't say that it's guranteed for Chuck to just walk in and knock him out. Dana is not dumb enough to take the chance and would say if you want to fight him come to the octagon as a UFC fighter and earn your right to fight him. If Chuck lost to Angle they would be the lauging stock of the MMA and pro wrestling community.

MadOne · 07-02-2006, 07:40 PM

The idea of any Fake-Cartoon-Actor WWE fighter taken on a MMA.. is such a joke to me. I can't even see how anyone can even compare the two.