trsix

Anyone else think the Ortiz, Griffin fight as fixed?
one judge had it 30-27 Ortiz, thats laughable.

The other recent fixed fight was Jardine losing to Bonner.
They're protecting their big names, getting like boxing which means the Nevada athletic commision is involved as well.

sitnspin

There's a lot of terrible judging in MMA, but I don't think it's the fault of the UFC. Dana White disagreed with that decision too. Gross and DiSantis had an interesting discussion about the current state of MMA judging on the last episode of Beatdown Radio over on Sherdog. Check it out.

I don't believe these fights are fixed, just badly scored.

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Krakatau

I would be disappointed, but not surprised. A lot of the descisions really do seem to favor the bigger 'name' stars the UFC has. People that seem to be draws and money makers.

Judging system needs to be overhauled, there needs to be a judging body that oversees MMA in general... cross promotional, all that.

angryjonny

I agree with sitnspin. Although I'm not one that thinks that the thought of a fixed fight is not possible, because it is in any organization and there are always questionable fights everywhere. But I can't recall any that I think are fixed. The Tito/Forrest fight isn't even the best example. Maybe a 30-27 is laughable but not a 29-28 for Tito.

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trsix

Doesn't the Nevada Athletic Commision oversee the judges? Those commisions ruined boxing letting fight fixing go on.
Tito did basically nothing after the first round, but i knew he'd win the fight.
In the Jarding/Bonner fight i was rooting for Bonner going in but thought Jardine won it for sure. I root against Bonner now.
He seems to have a real big head now in his interviews.

UFC_Legacy

I think it comes down to the views of the judges. I believe they call it how they see it. Tito kicked Forrest's ass in the first round. Forrest was unable to do anything major in the rest of the rounds that Tito was hurt in. Even though I wanted Forrest to knock him down all he could manage were a few good shots.

I don't agree its fixed just not a high standard of judges. The guy that calls it on the show live knows more. I mean they even used that Cecil Peoples to judge and we saw how much he knew when he ref 'd a match!

Dana should crack down on his judges tell them the standards he expects.

sitnspin

Unfortunately, they're not his judges. Because they're employees of the state athletic commission, Dana can't influence them in any way.

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UFC_Legacy

I do not mean influence the judges directly I know there from the State athletic commission. I should have put it more clearly. He could complain to the commission about the standard of the judges though could he not?
Because MMA has so many points to add and deduct the judges need to be very sharp at what they are scoring the particpiants on.

RobOne

ok my takes

Ortiz/Griffin
I think Tito pulled the win out. Just like Forrest said, he stole the last round with the takedown. The first round was obviously Tito's, then the second round Forest won the stand up, plus stuffed all of Tito's takedown attempts.

Round 3 is the big question mark. I actually watched this fight again today, and Tito won that round. Neither of them dominated in standup. Tito would win an exchange, then Forest would. A couple of Tito's take downs got stopped. Then he gets the takedown with a minute left. He was doing much damage. But he was scoring. Sure Forest landed like 2 light elbows, but those didnt do a thing. Then Forest gets the fight back up to his feet, and again does not dominate the stand up. The judge who scored it 30-27 is a fool or Cecil Peoples who is notorious for bad judging. But the winner of the fight won this one.

Bonnar/Jardine
HORRIBLE judging, Bonnar lost this fight

i dont think the fights are fixed. For one they are ran by the respected states athletic commission. So its not like the NVSAC or CSAC care about TUF fighters winning. The sport is still in its early years, and I see the UFC teaming up with the athletic state commissions to solve this problem.

MrGreeny

The scoring of the UFN5 was sooo funny Two times one judge scored about 29:29. Joe Rogan called this judge coward

subgenius

Didn't you know that Vince McMahon bought the UFC?

PSYCH!!! Just kidding, LOL

I don't think that any UFC fights have been or are being fixed. As others noted, the judging is horrible (and that is me being nice to them). I feel that whatever legal recourses that Dana White, Zuffa LLC, or the UFC has in general needs to be brought to bare on the athletic commissions. Or, like I said in that other thread, they need to bring it into Federal court and make this a Federal issue that supercedes the State levels. Or, at the very least, bring this to the State Supreme Courts.

The problem: MONEY. The UFC does not as yet have the money to engage in long, costly legal battles. The State athletic commissions have free legal representations as a State agency. They can pound out bad decision after bad decision with seeming impunity. I think that they also know that the UFC cannot retaliate because of the finacial reasons.

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MMA_Fanatic

That you have seen bad fights in multiple states makes me not buy in to the "fix" argument. Bad scoring has happened in California, NJ, and Nevada. I would have to think that out of those three state sactioning orgs, someone would have by now spilled the beans.

The better answer is that you have state government employees doing the work. If you have ever worked for the government (state, city, or federal) you would know that they aren't the best in any business.

trsix

I doubt the UFC would be involved in anything like that. More likely judges being pd off.
Paula Abdul and Simon Cowell might do as good a job.

MMA_Fanatic

would rather see Randy and the dawg pound than Paula score MMA. Would have too many draws on her score card.

sitnspin

In that episode of Beatdown Radio that I mentioned earlier in the thread, Josh Gross talked about being at an MMA show (smaller organization) where the judging was HORRENDOUS. He actually went over to the worst judge at one point and said, "What fight did you just watch? How could you score it like that?" The judge replied, "If I didn't, it would have been a draw and I didn't want that." Get me? He scored the fight in favour of one fighter because he assumed it would have been a draw otherwise. Gross said, "Well, it could have at least been a majority draw." Judge: "There's no such thing."

Unbelievable!! That someone paid to judge a professional fight isn't even versed in the different types of decisions.

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Crashsti

the UFC has no say in who the judges are and they are not about to start suing the NSAC over bad decisions. at the moment the UFC and the athletic commisions are trying to work out the bugs in the judging system to make it fair to the fighters and to insure that there is no "fixing" involved. one problem is qualified judges, they are few and far between. most come from a boxing background and have no clue how to judge a MMA bout. the other problem is that alot of qualified people don't want to be judges. Dana White himself said it best back in the first season of TUF. he basically said to do all you can to keep it out of the hands of the judges because you never know what they are going to do.

Thrash13

Bad decisions will ALWAYS be a part of MMA. It's the way things are anytime judges are involved. These people are humans just like all of us, and they do indeed make mistakes. They are put on the spot and don't get all the slow replays we get to see on TV. At least I don't think they do.

Why don't we focus on all the correct decisions made by the judges instead of the wrong decisions? The judges make the right call 95% of the time from what I've seen. And even those 5% are debatable at times.

It's just the nature of the beast. If the fighters finish the fights, they don't have to worry about it.

GSPALLTHEWAY

i think you just summed up this whole arguement in a very simple way... first off its very hard to be a judge, its easy for all of us to critisize after the fact... and also what about almost every decision taht they do get right?? while judges may give preference to certain styles and rob other styles, it all evens out in the end with a few exceptions.... none of these have been title fights have they? so it cant be too fixed

Crashsti

Bad decisions do NOT always have to be part of MMA. all it would take is educating the judges on MMA and the differant techniques involved. teaching them the differance between offensive and defensive positions. its all about making sure the people involved in judging understand the sport they are judging, unfortunately MMA is a very complex sport and its not easily understood. the 10 point must system also needs a one way ticket back to boxing. its too simplified for MMA.

MMA_Fanatic

I elect we have the BCS judge the fights. Everyone will be wishing for the judges we had in the Bonnar/Jardine matchup.