UFC needs to stop paying for debuters, and brign back some bigger names - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

St.Pierre_is_the_best · 08-07-2006, 09:55 PM

I am kinda gettign sick of seeing debut after debut in teh heavyweight division. Until they start showing some good fights on live ppv or television, then we arent going to see what the fighters are about and they will not draw any interest in ppvs. I would rather see soem big names frmo anywhere come to fight. I would absolutely love to see Cro Cop come to the UFC, the smartest thigns the UFC could do is go back to UFCs every couple of months so they are not using up as much talent again, and so they can use the big names again, and debut one fighter in an undercard in every ppv.

Bring back WWs - Renato Varissimo, Jayson Miller, Frank Trigg, Carlos Newton, Nick Diaz ect
Bring back MWs - Evan Tanner, Jeremy Horn, Trevor Prangley, Nate Marquardt if hes gone, Phil Baroni, Nate Quarry, Matt Lindland, Ivan Salavarry
Bring back LHWs - Vitor Belfort, Kevin Randleman, bring over Shogon Rua and Quinton Jackson, Guy Mezger,
Bring back HWs - Pedro Rizzo, Kimo, Buentello, Barnett, Eilers, McGee, Ricco, ect,
Bring back LWs - Caol Uno, Josh Thompson, Duane Ludwig, ect

Who should the UFC bring back, or bring over even.

angryjonny · 08-07-2006, 10:06 PM

Yes you are correct in that it would be nice if that happened. But the UFC doesn't need to do any of that. Why have all the high salaries when you can have enough marquee fighters to headline each PPV then fill the undercard with guys who don't care if they get 2K/2K? They are maximizing their profits by not doing what you suggest. It's not the best for the fans but the UFC can do pretty much anything they want now that they have such a strong fanbase in their grips. It would take a serious blow (lose sanctioning, death in the ring, scandals, losing big name fighters etc) for them to "need" to do anything differently.

AikaImmortal · 08-07-2006, 10:11 PM

See, as he said, they STOPPED PAYING the bigger names and thats why we have so many debuters in your terminology.

angryjonny · 08-07-2006, 10:22 PM

Yeah I see that point of view but think about it. Is it that they can't pay or just don't? They make so much money that they could pay all the fighters big numbers and still turn a profit. I think they are just going to continue to have one, maybe two big fights once in a while, and undercard filler. Much like boxing like I have thought they would do for a long time. Really does the UFC care about having every fight be awesome or do they want to make millions of dollars per month?

OneBigThrow · 08-07-2006, 11:07 PM

maybe they are trying to raise enough money to buy out the remaining states that they arent sanctioned to compete in

thatd be so gangsta

Nimmy · 08-08-2006, 05:06 AM

i agree, id rather see an old kimo than a new guy of whom i know nothing about. so many good fighter that the ufc have missed out on. maybe the deal with pride will see us getting better fighters/

RobOne · 08-08-2006, 05:24 AM

the thin pool of talent is showing. I am expecting the ppv's closing out the year to all suck. Some guys are fighting 2 or 3 ppvs in a row. But its none of the guys we want to see. I mean they could easily set up some nice match ups with the WW and LW talent. But they arent. They really should be stacking the cards with LW's, i went to UFC 59 and 60 and the LW fights were some of the most exciting matches of the night, but half of them end up as prelims and never get shown.

RobOne · 08-08-2006, 05:29 AM

[quote=St.Pierre_is_the_best
Bring back WWs - Renato Varissimo, Jayson Miller, Frank Trigg, Carlos Newton, Nick Diaz ect
Bring back MWs - Evan Tanner, Jeremy Horn, Trevor Prangley, Nate Marquardt if hes gone, Phil Baroni, Nate Quarry, Matt Lindland, Ivan Salavarry
Bring back LHWs - Vitor Belfort, Kevin Randleman, bring over Shogon Rua and Quinton Jackson, Guy Mezger,
Bring back HWs - Pedro Rizzo, Kimo, Buentello, Barnett, Eilers, McGee, Ricco, ect,
Bring back LWs - Caol Uno, Josh Thompson, Duane Ludwig, ect
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ok half of these guys are in different organizations or past their prime's. Miller is fighting with the WFA, Trigg is retired, Newton is with Hero I believe. Tanner is INSANE, Horn is out of the UFC, Baroni is with Pride, Lindland WFA, Vitor is with Pride, Randleman is on roids and with Pride, Barnett with Pride, Eilers is a bum, McGee is a bum, Ricco is at the buffet at the Rio, Rizzo is way past his prime, Kimo is a bum and on roids, Shogun is with Pride, Rampage is with WFA, Caol Uno is fighting with hero's.

Nimmy · 08-08-2006, 06:05 AM

agreed but with pride in crisis and the ufc as the top promotion there is litle reason why they shouldnt have half of these fighters

JoeRoganismyhero · 08-08-2006, 06:24 AM

Sorry to get off topic a bit but what happened to nate Quarry? He's been cleared to fight since May and we haven't seen him! Did the UFC rush him into a title fight then get rid of him when he lost?

RobOne · 08-08-2006, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nimmy

agreed but with pride in crisis and the ufc as the top promotion there is litle reason why they shouldnt have half of these fighters

pride is not in crisis, they are still selling 50k seats to shows. They are still on regular tv in japan, getting insane amounts of money through advertisers. Oh yeah and last NYE was the first time they beat K-1 in ratings. I think they are still fine.

Nimmy · 08-08-2006, 07:12 AM

why all the fuss about it in crisis then, most articles i have seen on the organisation seem to suggest a crisis

RobOne · 08-08-2006, 07:53 AM

articles rarely have any fact from inside the organization. Just here say.

Gygax · 08-08-2006, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RobOne

pride is not in crisis, they are still selling 50k seats to shows. They are still on regular tv in japan, getting insane amounts of money through advertisers. Oh yeah and last NYE was the first time they beat K-1 in ratings. I think they are still fine.

Unless something has changed in the last month, they are no longer on TV in Japan as FujiTV dropped them in June. Combine that with the recent contract squabbles (Silva, CroCop) and the apparently renewed relations with the UFC has understandably made many thought that Pride is not quite as stable as just earlier this year. They are certainly not in complete crisis, but I'm sure they are concerned.

St.Pierre_is_the_best · 08-08-2006, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RobOne

ok half of these guys are in different organizations or past their prime's. Miller is fighting with the WFA, Trigg is retired, Newton is with Hero I believe. Tanner is INSANE, Horn is out of the UFC, Baroni is with Pride, Lindland WFA, Vitor is with Pride, Randleman is on roids and with Pride, Barnett with Pride, Eilers is a bum, McGee is a bum, Ricco is at the buffet at the Rio, Rizzo is way past his prime, Kimo is a bum and on roids, Shogun is with Pride, Rampage is with WFA, Caol Uno is fighting with hero's.

I realize they are all fighting in other places, i wouldnt expect them to wait for the offer to fight in the UFC, the UFC should just make some big offers to the guys wen their contracts are up, and they should convince Trigg to pull out of retirement. They just need to make some big purchases to get back thieir big names.

Thrash13 · 08-08-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRoganismyhero

Sorry to get off topic a bit but what happened to nate Quarry?

Nate Quarry was cleared by doctors to return in May, but he went ahead and had surgery. He had some nagging knee injuries or something, and he will be out until early 2007. I believe I read that at MMAWeekly back in May or June. So he is still with the UFC.

I enjoy seeing new talent because you never know who is going to be the next star. The Rampages, Rizzos, Rodriguez of the world are big names, but that doesn't mean they are great fighters anymore. Like jonny said, the UFC has enough big names to put butts in seats and sell tickets. Why fill the undercard with big names as well? That's what the WFA is trying to do, and they may sink before swimming.

I'm a fan of bringing in fresh new talent. I think it gives these fighters a true UFC identity, and that's what Dana White wants. Why not take guys and grow them as fighters in the UFC? That way, fans know who they are watching in years to come.

Gygax · 08-08-2006, 09:17 AM

The latest Sherdog newsletter had an update on Nate Quarry and it was not good news...

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Middleweight Nathan Quarry unfortunately may not fight again -- ever. Quarry had back surgery about six weeks ago in what Quarry deemed a new procedure hardly done before. Quarry had a bulging and deteriorated disk in his spine, a condition he said was genetic and has been hampering him for years.

He was taking prescribed and legal anti-inflammatory pills to ease the pain but after a period of time, they had little to no effect on his major discomfort.

After his title-challenging fight with Rich Franklin (Quarry did not blame his bad back on his performance), he couldn't bear the pain any longer and opted to have the massive surgery, which was performed through his side, not through his back like most back surgeries, and lasted for hours.

Quarry said doctors told him his recovery has been going smoothly -- better than expected, actually -- but he's not out of the cellar just yet. Since it's a new procedure, the medical staff working with him aren't quite sure what to expect and if the operation doesn't fully heal his disks "The Rock" will almost certainly be forced into retirement.

Thrash13 · 08-08-2006, 09:20 AM

I was way off with the knee injury comment, but at least I wasn't making up the nagging injury part. That is tough news to hear for Nate Quarry and his fans. Hopefully things will go well for his recovery, enabling him to do what he loves most.

RobOne · 08-08-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gygax

Unless something has changed in the last month, they are no longer on TV in Japan as FujiTV dropped them in June. Combine that with the recent contract squabbles (Silva, CroCop) and the apparently renewed relations with the UFC has understandably made many thought that Pride is not quite as stable as just earlier this year. They are certainly not in complete crisis, but I'm sure they are concerned.

no they were picked up by SKY PerfecTV, and contracts with Silva and CroCop have been settled. I dont really think its to enough to worry about.

RobOne · 08-08-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by St.Pierre_is_the_best

I realize they are all fighting in other places, i wouldnt expect them to wait for the offer to fight in the UFC, the UFC should just make some big offers to the guys wen their contracts are up, and they should convince Trigg to pull out of retirement. They just need to make some big purchases to get back thieir big names.

Trigg coming out of retirement is gonna do what for the ufc? The guy cant beat the WW contenders, he is a loud mouth, and not a big draw.