Mike Tyson

Flying Triangle Choke · 08-13-2006, 03:30 AM

As it stands, I don't think Tyson is a top 10 all time HW. But he definitely had the potential for it. Just had too many personal demons.

Jras0001 · 08-13-2006, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

Maybe. It's so hard to say. But Don King saw the potential to build a myth, so they protected Tyson and let him KO guys that weren't in his league again and again to pad his record and build up the hype. Whenever you saw him against a top-level fighter (Buster Douglas, Holyfield, Lennox Lewis), the legend was gone and you saw a one-trick pony with no game plan who couldn't take the pressure these guys would put on him.

I agree. Tyson with different coaches and management could have been one of the greats, but sadly, that's not how it worked out.

Well said. I remember a boxer I used to love to watch fight. Wheather he was KO'ing people or he was the one getting KO'd, he always put on a great fight. That guy was Tommy Morrison. If I remember correctly, he's John Wayens nephew, but anyway, that guy had talent as well. Too bad he contracted HIV. Never heard from him much after that came out.

SmashingMachine · 08-13-2006, 07:48 AM

Yeah, I was seriously bummed to hear that he got HIV too...I really liked him a lot.

bonestein · 08-14-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chucksmasher

After watching the Mike Tyson clip in the boxing section, I think the Fight forum needs to remove this freak off the banner on the top of the page....The man is a sick individual that sure appears twisted. If you havnt seen it its rather disturbing. Man throw Tito, Hughes, Gsp, or someone like that on the picture board instead of a convicted Rapist, freakshow.

convicted rapist? yes, but should we descriminate against him for that? he did the crime, and he did time for it. we might as well descriminate him for being black too. yeah, lets find all his faults, put them in a list, and take him off the picture because of them.

lets get all ex-cons that have been released from prison and just put them all in a camp and burn them all. it's obvious that jail time isn't good enough for some people.

jxl301 · 08-14-2006, 05:38 PM

Tyson deserves to be on that banner. My question is wtf is Chuck doing up there twice?! Tyson I believe was set up for that rap case, but that's another story. He in fact has character issues. I blame his agent, pr whatever for that. If you have a client that is volatile like Tyson was/is, then you DON'T put him to do interviews, you don't put him in situations where incidents like past ones could happen. Bad management and definitly a bad childhood played roles in the man you see today. I truly feel sorry for Tyson. Deep down I am sure he is a kind man, but demons (not literally) have plagued him his whole life. A toruted soul so to speak. His ability and power can never be questioned and whatever show that didn't put him in their top 10 HW should be kicked in the butt with a really pointy boot. Maybe he wasn't #1 but give props where props are due. Even though Lennox beat him, I still would not rank him above Tyson. Lennox ducked him forever and finally decided to fight him when Tyson was practically done. Tyson should be at the least #6 ALL TIME.

sitnspin · 08-14-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bonestein

convicted rapist? yes, but should we descriminate against him for that? he did the crime, and he did time for it. we might as well descriminate him for being black too. yeah, lets find all his faults, put them in a list, and take him off the picture because of them.

lets get all ex-cons that have been released from prison and just put them all in a camp and burn them all. it's obvious that jail time isn't good enough for some people.

Woah.

You think we should compare having raped someone with being black? That's messed up, man. Sorry, but I don't consider being black one of "his faults."

But anway, I had a larger point to make.

Compare someone like Randy Couture -- a family man, a clean, dedicated athlete, a good coach, an all-around role model for kids, and an excellent ambassador for professional fighting, and Tyson -- a rapist, a guy who hits women (Robin Givens says he used to slap the hell out of her when they were married), the guy who bit off Evander's ear, who makes bizarre public threats about raping women and eating children... and tell me who I want to support or look up to or have representing any sport that I care about? The fact that Tyson's done time in prison only means he's been punished for some of the crap that he's done. It doesn't mean he's any more deserving of my respect than he was when he went in.

If someone is, for example, a pedophile and he gets caught fiddling with kids, then I don't want to hang out with that guy, regardless of whether or not he's been sent to prison to "pay" for his crimes. And I feel totally comfortable with that opinion.

RockemSockem · 08-15-2006, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

Woah.

You think we should compare having raped someone with being black? That's messed up, man. Sorry, but I don't consider being black one of "his faults."

But anway, I had a larger point to make.

Compare someone like Randy Couture -- a family man, a clean, dedicated athlete, a good coach, an all-around role model for kids, and an excellent ambassador for professional fighting, and Tyson -- a rapist, a guy who hits women (Robin Givens says he used to slap the hell out of her when they were married), the guy who bit off Evander's ear, who makes bizarre public threats about raping women and eating children... and tell me who I want to support or look up to or have representing any sport that I care about? The fact that Tyson's done time in prison only means he's been punished for some of the crap that he's done. It doesn't mean he's any more deserving of my respect than he was when he went in.

If someone is, for example, a pedophile and he gets caught fiddling with kids, then I don't want to hang out with that guy, regardless of whether or not he's been sent to prison to "pay" for his crimes. And I feel totally comfortable with that opinion.

I could not have said it better. I could see laying off the guy a bit if he went to prison and showed sincere remorse, people screw up and make horrible decisions, but his actions stay consistent, consistent to a guy who i want nothing to do with.

SmashingMachine · 08-15-2006, 08:17 AM

well said. Mike's color has nothing to do with it at all. I too, thought the rape case was shady, and still do some, and he did do the time for it. However, he's done nothing but wrong/disgusting things since he's been out of prison. Honestly, now it wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me if he was guilty in that rape case. It's his ongoing wrong doings and lack of class that have earned him all of the disgust on here.

Mulla · 08-15-2006, 09:20 AM

On the subject of Tyson, did anyone see the fight from WCFC where he was a celebrity ref? Absolutely hilarious! One of the fighters is on the ground and the other one is stood over him throwing punches, when the fighter on the ground catches the other in an armbar. Mike's nowhere near the fighters (he's standing on the other side of the octagon), didnt even see the guy tapping and the fighters themselves stop the fight lol. Tyson's just stood there afterwards like "What just happened?"!

Aaron_Boileau · 08-15-2006, 04:25 PM

I'm i the only real Tyson fan around anymore ? I have been a Tyson fan since i first started watching boxing, and always will be.

How many people actually paid attention to the rape trial ? And how often she changed her story during it ?

I for one do not believe that he actually raped her, and with what i saw, heard and read about the trial, never will.

Anyone saying that Tyson at his prime was not AT LEAST in the 10 best HW boxers of all time has either never seen any of his fights from then, knows nothing about boxing, or needs their head examined.

I believe that he still is clocked as having the hardest punch in boxing history, however i haven't watched boxing in a few years, someone may have beaten him in the meantime, but the guy was unstoppable, and if he hadn't spent the time in prison, would most likely, be the guy everyone says is the best of all time... with the possible exception of Marciano, who i can see as being better, no one else ever retired as undefeated HW champ.

I know Tyson has become a bitter, stupid, crazy and scary individual, but if you were f'd over by your manager, thrown in prison during your prime, and then treated like a psycho, i'm willing to bet almost anyone would become at least semi-like the way he has become.

wgs2005 · 08-15-2006, 04:40 PM

he was a mental crazy dodgy convicted "rapist" but in my opponion he was in the top 10 HW of all time, you cant use that Lennox fight as an example, he was well past his prime and only used it as a bank ballance booster, towards the end of his carear he seemed to busy trying to be a gentleman and a devote muslim, what gave him his beastly talent in the ring was his aggression and ruthlessness, and also the hunger of a guy who came from the gutter, please dont attack my post as a tyson lover as i am not, these days i doubt hed get a licence, he was unstablebut he did in his time and for that i wont deny how good he was.

chucksmasher · 08-15-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bonestein

convicted rapist? yes, but should we descriminate against him for that? he did the crime, and he did time for it. we might as well descriminate him for being black too. yeah, lets find all his faults, put them in a list, and take him off the picture because of them.

lets get all ex-cons that have been released from prison and just put them all in a camp and burn them all. it's obvious that jail time isn't good enough for some people.

WTH ?? your comparing a man you sexually and verbally assults women, who is a convicted rapist and a complete lunatic to a person being black... you may be out of your mind as well. I dont care what color he is, personally because he is black he is probably more gifted of an athelete as far as genetics go... "theres not alot of white dudes built like Tyson unless there gym dwelling roid freaks". Anyways back the the topic, yeah he did his time but he has not reformed, he continually gets worse. You make no sense at all.

SeikanJudanski · 08-15-2006, 10:31 PM

How come this thread is in the UFC section? About who deserves to be on the banner, the banner is just fine, except that Fedor is missing. lol.

SeikanJudanski · 08-15-2006, 11:28 PM

By the way you guys need to check out this site,

http://www.geocities.com/mike_tyson_ko/videos.html

Alot of this fights, but also many documentaries, including very rare footage.

SmashingMachine · 08-16-2006, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wgs2005

he was a mental crazy dodgy convicted "rapist" but in my opponion he was in the top 10 HW of all time, you cant use that Lennox fight as an example, he was well past his prime and only used it as a bank ballance booster, towards the end of his carear he seemed to busy trying to be a gentleman and a devote muslim, what gave him his beastly talent in the ring was his aggression and ruthlessness, and also the hunger of a guy who came from the gutter, please dont attack my post as a tyson lover as i am not, these days i doubt hed get a licence, he was unstablebut he did in his time and for that i wont deny how good he was.

Lewis was past his prime too...they're both about the same age...and on one of those Beyond the Glory documentaries on Lewis...they stated that Mike and Lennox got it on amatuerly, sparring, behind closed doors and that the result was pretty much the same as when the fight occured professionally. Had Mike/Don King had the balls to make that fight happen earlier...Lennox would be the one everyone raves about...he's one of the most underrated HW's of all time in my book. Tyson pales in comparison to Lewis.

Malf · 08-16-2006, 01:03 AM

Take Tyson down, put Fedor up. Ali would work too.

Almighty Zack · 08-16-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SeikanJudanski

By the way you guys need to check out this site,

http://www.geocities.com/mike_tyson_ko/videos.html

Alot of this fights, but also many documentaries, including very rare footage.

When i click a video it goes to some german looking site..

SeikanJudanski · 08-16-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Almighty Zack

When i click a video it goes to some german looking site..

Just right click on the file you want and save.