Why Are Most UFC Fighters Just Ground Skill Fighters?

**FrontlineSkin88** · 08-19-2006 12:26 PM

Lately most of the new fighters that are coming up are pretty much just ground skill fighters, some of them just know that, they just go for the takedown and try to submit or to ground and pound. Don't get me wrong I like the ground game but if ur going to fight in an orginazation u need to be a well rounded fighter in order to dominate and become an even better fighter after each fight. Come on in my opinion anyone can takedown a guy and try to punch that's easy fr anyone even some kids fighting at school, the real challenge is the stand up, that's much more harder, I just want to see more stand up in the UFC,more well rounded fighters.

**jmag** · 08-19-2006 12:44 PM

Ground fighting is dominant in mma. Strikers that succeed in mma do so because they have enough ground skills or ground skill defense. My opinion is that grounds skills are the foundation.

I'd much rather come in with a strong wrestling/bjj background than stand up. It's those guys that dominate and can work on their striking.

**the_natural** · 08-19-2006 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by jmag

Ground fighting is dominant in mma. Strikers that succeed in mma do so because they have enough ground skills or ground skill defense. My opinion is that grounds skills are the foundation.

I'd much rather come in with a strong wrestling/bjj background that stand up. It's those guys that dominate and can work on their striking.

true, and after watching mma for some time you really begin to appreciate the ground game as much as, maybe even more than striking.

you really musnt make comments like 'anyone can take a guy down'. i'd like to see someone with no mma training taking down a ufc or pride fighter today.

**Grave** · 08-19-2006 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by jmag

Ground fighting is dominant in mma. Strikers that succeed in mma do so because they have enough ground skills or ground skill defense. My opinion is that grounds skills are the foundation.

Yeah like Chuck, his grounds skills/defense are why he is able to prevent takedowns and stay off the ground. Very hard to take chuck down.

**Grave** · 08-19-2006 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by the_natural

you really musnt make comments like 'anyone can take a guy down'. i'd like to see someone with no mma training taking down a ufc or pride fighter today.

Yeah talk about ignorance in knowledge of how MMA works.

The guys might make it look easy to take another fighter down on Tv, but that is because they are so good.

Any bar-room brawler type dolt off the street, who attempts a takedown on a trained UFC fighter, would eat a knee and get KO'ed before he was even in range for a proper hold on the guy.

**sitnspin** · 08-19-2006 01:45 PM

Anderson Silva
Rich Franklin
Chuck Liddell
Tim Sylvia
Andrei Arlovski
Mike Swick
David Loiseau
Mark Hominick
Forrest Griffin

Those are just the first names that immediately came to mind of top-level UFC fighters who usually prefer to keep it standing. But as has been said here, you have to be able to dominate on the ground too if you want to be successful. If you're a good striker, your opponent is going to want to take it to the mat. So when a guy shoots for a takedown on you, it's usually because he doesn't want to stand and strike because he respects your mitts.

BTW, dude. What does your name "Frontline Skin" refer to?

**Bomber** · 08-19-2006 03:10 PM

I prefer fights that have a good mix of grappling and striking. But I'd much rather watch a predominately ground match like Sanchez/Diaz than a pure striking match like Bonnar/Griffin or Sylvia Arlovski III where no one even tries to shoot.

One of the things I don't like is a fight with too many clinches. AFAIC clinches are the most boring part of an MMA fight.

**spiritofbattle** · 08-19-2006 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Grave

Yeah like Chuck, his grounds skills/defense are why he is able to prevent takedowns and stay off the ground. Very hard to take chuck down.

watch chuck when hes fighting coture. coture is trying to take him down, liddell is holding him looking right at mcarthy waiting for him to separate them. liddell has good defense, yes but its not great. he will do anything to make the ref stand them up . not a big chuck fan here....but he is the best striker counter striker in ufc right now.

hes a boxer

**MadOne** · 08-19-2006 06:05 PM

Chuck is a perfect example.. Not just because he is the champ but because he does such a amazing job of keeping fights standing - his take down defence is the top in the game, thats why he almost all ways wins by a knock out - with maybe little eye pokes :P

**spiritofbattle** · 08-19-2006 08:19 PM

For being a ground dominant organization, there sure seems to be a lot of ko's.

**St.Pierre_is_the_best** · 08-19-2006 08:28 PM

Ya i realy wounldn't say most fighters are ground game fighters. A lot of the domiant fighters today are strikers, 3 of the 4 champions are strikers. The ground game is very important don't get me wrong, but I dont agree with u saying its only ground fighting. I like a standing KO more then a ground n pound victory.

Best spralls
Chuck
GSP
Forest Griffin

Top 3 in my opinion.

There is many strikers tho, added to sitnspin's list is Melvin Guillard, Paul Buentello, Hermes Franca, Yves Edwards.

**kwijibo** · 11-20-2008 10:27 PM

look at the list of fouls in UFC

1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

There are a few strikes that are ruled out but virtually no grappling technique. In fact the grappling moves that are illegal are the unskilled ones that a striker would use in a street situation (small joint manipulation and fouls 12 and 13) I'm happy with these rules but i think they should change the scoring system for judges and they should be harder on ineffective grapplers. For example two of Matt Serra's wins on ultimate fighter when he was a contestant were pathetic, all he did was chase and get fended off and then lie on top of them when it went to ground.

**Kentified** · 11-21-2008 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by kwijibo

look at the list of fouls in UFC

1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

There are a few strikes that are ruled out but virtually no grappling technique. In fact the grappling moves that are illegal are the unskilled ones that a striker would use in a street situation (small joint manipulation and fouls 12 and 13) I'm happy with these rules but i think they should change the scoring system for judges and they should be harder on ineffective grapplers. For example two of Matt Serra's wins on ultimate fighter when he was a contestant were pathetic, all he did was chase and get fended off and then lie on top of them when it went to ground.

Where did this thread come from?

**Ztous** · 11-21-2008 12:21 AM

2006 It"ll Get Ya!

**basslogic4003** · 11-21-2008 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by kwijibo

look at the list of fouls in UFC

1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

There are a few strikes that are ruled out but virtually no grappling technique. In fact the grappling moves that are illegal are the unskilled ones that a striker would use in a street situation (small joint manipulation and fouls 12 and 13) I'm happy with these rules but i think they should change the scoring system for judges and they should be harder on ineffective grapplers. For example two of Matt Serra's wins on ultimate fighter when he was a contestant were pathetic, all he did was chase and get fended off and then lie on top of them when it went to ground.

I'm gonna change my scoring system on your posts, bromo.

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