Who does the UFC Heavyweight division need???

St.Pierre_is_the_best · 08-21-2006, 04:27 PM

Just wondering who everyone thinks the UFC could sign that could light up the Heavyweight division. Personally myself, I would like to see Lesnar cuz 20 lbs and come into the UFC heavyweight divisoin. He would be an explosive heavyweight that will now have submissions in his arsenal. Could be interesting. Just tell me who you think could become big in the Heavyweight divisoin.

Ryduce · 08-21-2006, 04:30 PM

The UFC has a HW division????

sitnspin · 08-21-2006, 05:10 PM

I'd only want Lesnar in for novelty purposes, but as a total newcomer to MMA, I don't think he poses a threat to Sylvia, Arlovski, Monson or Vera, which is pretty much the entire HW division. What's he gonna do -- F5 them, or whatever that finishing move was called?

There was talk that Mark Coleman would be making at least a temporary return to the UFC (there was even a report that his opponent would be Michael Bisping's coach at the Wolf's Lair gym in England -- can't remember his name). But I just listened to Coleman on the latest installment of Beatdown Radio over at Sherdog, and he says that his fight against Fedor is the first of three on his new contract, which is also a one-year deal (meaning he owes them three fights, and he can't fight anywhere else without their permission for the one year period). So he says his goal is to have all three of those Pride fights happen inside the one year period. If the first one isn't until October, and he fights every two months after that, give or take a couple of weeks, that'll take him through to February or March, and then he still can't fight anywhere else until next summer unless Pride agrees to it.

We'll see what happens with Cro-Cop. If he's really into leaving Pride after the October show and trying out some American organizations, maybe Dana White would make him a fat offer. I think that's more likely than having him shell out for a big name in one of the other divisions, since they're already in much better shape than his HW scene.

Nimmy · 08-21-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

I'd only want Lesnar in for novelty purposes, but as a total newcomer to MMA, I don't think he poses a threat to Sylvia, Arlovski, Monson or Vera, which is pretty much the entire HW division. What's he gonna do -- F5 them, or whatever that finishing move was called?

There was talk that Mark Coleman would be making at least a temporary return to the UFC (there was even a report that his opponent would be Michael Bisping's coach at the Wolf's Lair gym in England -- can't remember his name). But I just listened to Coleman on the latest installment of Beatdown Radio over at Sherdog, and he says that his fight against Fedor is the first of three on his new contract, which is also a one-year deal (meaning he owes them three fights, and he can't fight anywhere else without their permission for the one year period). So he says his goal is to have all three of those Pride fights happen inside the one year period. If the first one isn't until October, and he fights every two months after that, give or take a couple of weeks, that'll take him through to February or March, and then he still can't fight anywhere else until next summer unless Pride agrees to it.

We'll see what happens with Cro-Cop. If he's really into leaving Pride after the October show and trying out some American organizations, maybe Dana White would make him a fat offer. I think that's more likely than having him shell out for a big name in one of the other divisions, since they're already in much better shape than his HW scene.

yep why dont the ufc shell out some decent cash and bring cro cop to the organisation, he clearly is one of the top 5 fighters in the world and would make more money than he costs.

SWIBC · 08-21-2006, 05:57 PM

they could bring back Gan McGee, if I am correct he has only lost to Sylvia in the UFC. Also please bring back Buentello, maybe Wes Sims only b/c you never know what you're going to get with him.

St.Pierre_is_the_best · 08-21-2006, 06:00 PM

That would be absolutely amazing to see. I would pay instantly for a lone Cro Cop vs Arlovski, or Sylvia. I do think that once Lesnar gets submissions from Gracie, and gets some striking knowledge, he will be a wrecking force in MMA. He wont be like Sapp or anyone, he will be an amazingly explosive wrestler that could toss any hw around. He is really agile for being a hw, and he will have amazing strength to toss his opponents around.

sitnspin · 08-21-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by St.Pierre_is_the_best

That would be absolutely amazing to see. I would pay instantly for a lone Cro Cop vs Arlovski, or Sylvia. I do think that once Lesnar gets submissions from Gracie, and gets some striking knowledge, he will be a wrecking force in MMA. He wont be like Sapp or anyone, he will be an amazingly explosive wrestler that could toss any hw around. He is really agile for being a hw, and he will have amazing strength to toss his opponents around.

He's got a long way to go. This isn't the Matrix where they just slap a Royce Gracie submissions program into him and send him on his way. At this point he's a total noob when it comes to BJJ, so even a few months from now, how would he fair against an ADCC champ like Jeff Monson, or even an out of shape Frank Mir who's still a BJJ ace? I really don't think Lesnar's got much of an MMA career in front of him. What are the two sports that ruin your body the most? Football and pro wrestling. I bet Lesnar's already got a host of chronic injuries, and to start your career in K-1 is like begging a bunch of veterans to kick your head in.

Aaron_Boileau · 08-21-2006, 10:31 PM

They need to do a new season of TUF for Heavyweights only, and ones who have no name, and then try to develop them a bit.

Bringing in 1 or 2 Heavyweights from either Pride or K1 is not going to help much, that'll give them three new fights, and chances are one of the 2 will be totally dominant, which will in turn just put them back where they are now anyways.

The UFC should try and set up some sort of a "farm" league, just a place to groom new fighters at all times, try to keep people coming up through it at all times.

St.Pierre_is_the_best · 08-21-2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_Boileau

They need to do a new season of TUF for Heavyweights only, and ones who have no name, and then try to develop them a bit.

Bringing in 1 or 2 Heavyweights from either Pride or K1 is not going to help much, that'll give them three new fights, and chances are one of the 2 will be totally dominant, which will in turn just put them back where they are now anyways.

The UFC should try and set up some sort of a "farm" league, just a place to groom new fighters at all times, try to keep people coming up through it at all times.

That wouldn't be too sweet to have a farm league, it wud just be too confusing. I guess its like every smaller MMA organization is a farm league to the UFC. It would have to be free tv so were not out of the loop on whos rising in teh farm league and coming to the UFC big show.

Harms · 08-21-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_Boileau

They need to do a new season of TUF for Heavyweights only, and ones who have no name, and then try to develop them a bit.

Bringing in 1 or 2 Heavyweights from either Pride or K1 is not going to help much, that'll give them three new fights, and chances are one of the 2 will be totally dominant, which will in turn just put them back where they are now anyways.

The UFC should try and set up some sort of a "farm" league, just a place to groom new fighters at all times, try to keep people coming up through it at all times.

They need to stay as heavyweights too. Almost everyone from the first season dropped to LHW.

Flying Triangle Choke · 08-22-2006, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by St.Pierre_is_the_best

Just wondering who everyone thinks the UFC could sign that could light up the Heavyweight division. Personally myself, I would like to see Lesnar cuz 20 lbs and come into the UFC heavyweight divisoin. He would be an explosive heavyweight that will now have submissions in his arsenal. Could be interesting. Just tell me who you think could become big in the Heavyweight divisoin.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the UFC should just disband its heavyweight division. I mean they got rid of the Lightweight division for a while didn't they? And the lightweights actually have good fights! I see no reason why they can't get rid of the heavyweight division.

stillstanding · 08-22-2006, 01:41 AM

Come on you dont mean that!?! If they didnt have HW div. then people like Jeff Monson, and Slyvia (which are big hw's) would go against smaller lightweights like Babalu and others. If this happened they would destroy two weight classes. They just need new talent or bring some people over. In time it should work out.

Mulla · 08-22-2006, 05:18 AM

I think both Heath Herring and Gary Goodridge would make good additions to the division. I remember on one of the recent PPVs (60?) that Goodridge was actually interviewed and I remember hoping then that he might come back. AFAIK tho he's still with Hero's.

One person Id really like to see would be Antonio Silva, but that would mean UFC getting rid of the 265lb restriction.

Nimmy · 08-22-2006, 07:09 AM

why not get rid of it. open weight HW division would be great. cant see the legal side of it tho. there are bound to be guys in pride who are great fighters but not got a chance of winning the titles, bring them in

sitnspin · 08-22-2006, 10:46 AM

I hope the UFC never does another HW season of TUF. What a waste of time that was. It was a mix of lazy guys whose hearts weren't really in it, LHWs who bulked up long enough to compete on the show and then dropped down, and guys who were big enough and well-intentioned, but kind of lacking in the skills department.

Personally, I feel like an exciting HW fight is a rare thing. Usually they're big, slow, and mainly swinging for the fences until one of them drops, which usually happens fairly quick. I wouldn't care if the division disappeared, especially since the UFC has top talent and exciting fights at every other weight.

St.Pierre_is_the_best · 08-22-2006, 01:15 PM

I would be in total favour of the UFC dropping the weight limit, or even opening up a 265+, aslong as the +265 fighters can actually fight. Something I would like to see is AA drop Bob Sapp. If there was no limit, we could even see a better Sylvia, or see some bigger fighters. Thats what the UFC needs to do to bring some bigger hws.

wgs2005 · 08-22-2006, 01:44 PM

i know a few dont think lesnar is going to do that well but i think ill take militich's opinion more serious, he reckons lesnars going to be unstopible in a year.

wgs2005 · 08-22-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by St.Pierre_is_the_best

I would be in total favour of the UFC dropping the weight limit, or even opening up a 265+, aslong as the +265 fighters can actually fight. Something I would like to see is AA drop Bob Sapp. If there was no limit, we could even see a better Sylvia, or see some bigger fighters. Thats what the UFC needs to do to bring some bigger hws.

definately, hw should mean hw

sitnspin · 08-22-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wgs2005

i know a few dont think lesnar is going to do that well but i think ill take militich's opinion more serious, he reckons lesnars going to be unstopible in a year.

PAT Miletich, or is this Jim Miletich who works at the grocers up the road?

stillstanding · 08-22-2006, 03:58 PM

Do you have a source saying that Militech thinks Brock is going to be unstoppable?