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Flying Triangle Choke · 09-20-2006, 05:12 PM

BJ by tappage once again.

Gooner · 09-21-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I would also rather see Hughes-GSP 2. I want Penn to lose so that the Hughes-GSP 2 fight will be all the more important. If GSP wins that fight, then he will sky rocket to fame and fortune.

I actually have a feeling that this match will strangely resemble the Hughes-Gracie fight. I think that Penn will be even more surprised by Hughes than he was by GSP. The style that Matt Hughes (and others, like Sánchez) uses in his fights is geared towards beating stikers and BJJ fighters.

I think that Penn will go for an immediate KO in the first minute of the first round. When that gets frustrated, and he gets slammed or taken down a lot, then Penn will gas out in the later minutes of the first round or the earlier minutes of the second round. Then Matt Hughes will beat him (likely by submission).

And the style, that BJ uses is geared towards beating guys like Matt Hughes (and anyone else really). Matt will look like a deer in headlights again.

I'll repeat my opinion. Hughes isn't explosive enough to beat BJ.
BJ by pwnage again. Hughes only has a slight chance of getting a decision-win.
He will NOT finish BJ. Standing finish/submission-win by Hughes is a straight up laughable idea. And TKO by GnP is also close to impossible.
Hell, I forgot about a possible cut-stoppage... not happening.*

JUST SCRAP, BABY JAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*the opinions in this post may be exaggerated a tiny bit, because the poster is very excited about this fight, and is a big fan of The Prodigy. However, if the poster is wrong in his prediction, feel free to quote him and ridicule him later on. He himself plans to do some of that, if he's right.

subgenius · 09-21-2006, 09:35 AM

Penn has been less than explosive in his last two or three matches. I actually think that he has slowed down. Mentally his mind seems uninterested in MMA when he is in the ring. In two days we will all be able to talk about this in the past tense. I still feel that we will see a Hughes-Penn 2 match that is a lot like the Hughes-Gracie match with Penn suffering a dominating defeat at the hands of a (seemingly) unstoppable Matt Hughes.

Snow Patrol · 09-21-2006, 10:43 AM

We'll soon find out. Personally I think it's the big fights which Penn will rise to the occasion for. But if this fight doesn't bring out the fight in him, nothing will.

subgenius · 09-21-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

We'll soon find out. Personally I think it's the big fights which Penn will rise to the occasion for. But if this fight doesn't bring out the fight in him, nothing will.

I agree. As much as I personally dislike Penn, I really would rather see a Baby Jay Penn that is 100% focused and interested in winning the fight. I would love to see a Penn of old return and make his mark once again. However, I just do not see that happening. Sometimes a fighter gets to a burn-out point and they just really do not want to fight anymore. I honestly feel that Penn is in that place -- struggling more with himself than with his opponents.

subgenius · 09-21-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ItIsAllOver

BJ-First round- Rear Naked Choke....just like the first one.

That just seems crazy. I mean, Hughes is not Frank Trigg. Very few fighters will get beat the same way twice by the same opponent. In my thinking, RNC is the absolute last way that Hughes-Penn 2 could end.

Dirty Fighter · 09-21-2006, 01:40 PM

Penn beat Hughes effortlessly the first fight. Although he won by sub, it was a big right hand that even Hughes admits dazed him. The rnc was a result of that punch. I think Penn will win again, though he might actually have to work for it this time.

Jras0001 · 09-21-2006, 05:41 PM

I agree as well, I think Penn will be winning this fight but I dont think it will be as easy for him. He will have to work for it this time around I believe.

Gooner · 09-21-2006, 06:01 PM

Look for a very nervous Matt Hughes in this one. He's gonna be hopping around like in the first one, and against GSP.
Then when/if he gets a clinch at some point, he'll be desperate to get it on the ground. If he fails, that might be a bad thing for him mentally.
And if he ends up winning this fight on a few takedowns and some ineffective GnP, I'm gonna be seriously pissed. The least I ask for, is a clear-cut win for one of them.

I think Hughes actually might feel more pressure in this fight, even though he's saying the opposite. He might feel, that if he loses again, everyone will think, that he never was THAT great really. The real champ was just gone for a while.

Jras0001 · 09-21-2006, 07:53 PM

Im not sure Hughes will be all that desperate to take it to the ground. What I mean is, he needs to take it to the ground and work his gameplan, him on top with some GnP thrown in. What he doesnt need is to clinch and make some desperate effort just to go to the ground and end up in Penn's guard or with Penn on top. With Penn's ground game as dangerous as it is, its going to be a difficult night for Hughes. I enjoy watching Hughes fight and think he is one of the all time greats but everyone has someone else out there that just has their number and I think that Penn has Hughe's number all day long.

Snow Patrol · 09-21-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

I think Hughes actually might feel more pressure in this fight, even though he's saying the opposite. He might feel, that if he loses again, everyone will think, that he never was THAT great really. The real champ was just gone for a while.

I agree completely.

GeorgeXVX · 09-22-2006, 01:26 PM

i really think matt has this.... he keeps saying how he respects bj and wants to recover that last loss and how he is constantly training.... bj is like i cant lose i have matts number and i am going to tapp him out and he cant win and its just like.... BJ your now a fat spoiled rich kid who hasnt won a fight in the ufc in the last year and you are getting a tittle shot... cool it.... matt hughes is on an all new lvl of fighting and i truely think he is goign to make short work of the man that no one can make short work of... it not round two then round three!

Crashsti · 09-22-2006, 01:32 PM

the more i read about BJ's new view on training the more i see Matt taking this fight. BJ is talking about how he is only training when he feels like it, that he is'nt treating it like a job. he claims that fighting should be fun and training so hard was'nt fun. it will be interesting to see how BJ's new "fun" take on training treats him during the fight.

Adam Brooke · 09-22-2006, 04:49 PM

Hughes might choke Penn but he won't tap from anything else. He's too flexible. Hughes get choked in the third round and I collect from the non-believers. GSP's decision over Penn was weak too...had to throw that in.

Young_Neil · 09-22-2006, 05:09 PM

i think penn was totally awesome, but now i think he's just a little bitch who has a big hupe surrounding him, i was very impressed with some of his older fights, but the first fight i saw was him against gsp, and i gotta say gsp totally controlled him, the first round penn hit the tip of gsp's nose which caused alot of blood for the rest of the match and looked bad, but i think it was pretty flukey, gsp controlled him the rest of the fight, even if by the end neither looked all that damaged. huges SHOULD destroy penn in my opinion, i think he expects hughes to be the same fighter he was last time, i think he is overestimating himself, underestimating hughes. and i also gotta say he is a total baby when he loses, he was such a bitch when gsp won.

GeorgeXVX · 09-22-2006, 05:19 PM

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i think penn was totally awesome, but now i think he's just a little bitch who has a big hupe surrounding him, i was very impressed with some of his older fights, but the first fight i saw was him against gsp, and i gotta say gsp totally controlled him, the first round penn hit the tip of gsp's nose which caused alot of blood for the rest of the match and looked bad, but i think it was pretty flukey, gsp controlled him the rest of the fight, even if by the end neither looked all that damaged. huges SHOULD destroy penn in my opinion, i think he expects hughes to be the same fighter he was last time, i think he is overestimating himself, underestimating hughes. and i also gotta say he is a total baby when he loses, he was such a bitch when gsp won.

haha.... definitly overestimating himself and underestimating hughes..... he is talking about how every fight hughes takes it to the ground and all he has is a great takedown/slam..... which is true.... but for the past 6 months or so hughes has been training his standing game more then anything... if he can stand with bj long enough for bj to get frusterated and forget his game plan or even long enough for bj to think he will stand the entire fight and hughes can get a super easy takedown/slam and might end the fight real quick from ground and pound or even a choke of some sort.... i think he might tap penn out to strikes a rear naked choke or maybe a straight forward arm bar.... bj is super flexible but an arm bar is an arm bar and hughes has the strength to pull it out... we will see.... i am betting very heavey on hughes this ppv.... with the exception of last ppv with me betting against chuck i have been dead on and making a killing.... i hope this pays off the way i want it too!

Ryduce · 09-22-2006, 05:27 PM

Hughes hasn't had a meaningful fight since he fought Penn.

-His biggest test was against an extremely young GSP who still held his own with Matt.
-He took Charuto to a decision and almost got choked out in the process.
-He fought Riggs.
-He fought Trigg and almost got choked out.(Granted he took a shot to the pills)
-He fought an aging and seemingly one dimensional Royce.

Meanwhile BJ lost a decision to a LHW,beat two middleweights,and lost a close fight to an improved GSP.

To me it seems that BJ has fought the tougher competition since they last met.

Snow Patrol · 09-23-2006, 10:28 AM

I mentioned it before, but now I feel even more strongly that Penn's remarks leading up to the fight of giving up professional training and sparring only once is just a ploy to get Matt thinking he's not taking the fight seriously. And I think it's worked. As much as Matt is preparing for this fight, I still think he believes that Penn will show up in the shape he was in against GSP and again thinks he's just going to use his strength to beat him decisively... Deja vu?

Penn by first round RNC.

Gooner · 09-23-2006, 11:30 AM

Can't wait for this.

Could someone tell me how many hours til the PPV starts? So I'll know, when to start avoiding all the forums.
I don't know what the US times are in CET, so a post saying "about 8 hours and 30 minutes to go" for example, would be great.

subgenius · 09-23-2006, 11:45 AM

Penn: "What can I do? I will beat Matt Hughes again." It sounds simple and direct as an answer to a question. But, it is how he says it. He sounds like a scared school girl.

When I read his interviews, I was so far from less than impressed that I cannot think of a lower thing to say about those foolish comments from Penn. Is it a game? Is he really doing the opposite of what he said? I doubt that severely. Penn actually believes all that nonesense. Tonight, all the Penn fans will see the writing on the wall when Penn loses in dramatic fashion

Hmm, Hughes has not KO-slammed anyone lately, maybe tonight Penn gets dropped on his head...