Penn vs Hughes 2 poll

TaddT189 · 09-01-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

This is the type of Baby Jay Penn worship that I think is silly.

Personally I think that BJ would KO/TKO Fedor if they were standing and if it went to the ground BJ would sub. him.

lol, just kidding. I know what you mean. I wonder what BJ "chubbs" Penn was weighing in that fight? Can't wait for the fight So BJ gets pushed into the 4th and 5th round and gases, then he might drop to 155. He gased in a three round fight against GSP and he has to go five rounds with Hughes. hahahahhahahahahahah.....hahahahahahahahahaha......hahahahahahahahaha

Bomber · 09-01-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Penn gassed out near the end of the first round. He was fairly ineffective after that.

Then why was GSP bleeding from every orifice in his head and Penn looked like he hadn't even been in a fight?

He is a big guy and he handled Penn easily.
Did you even see that fight? Because if you did, then you have a serious bias issue (Of course we already knew that

). It was a close-fought decision. And don't miss the point. Lyoto would demolish Hughes because Hughes only has basic standup skills and would be completely overpowered on the ground.

Gooner · 09-01-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

That is BS. With GSP, we already KNOW that Matt Hughes can beat GSP. Why? Because Matt Hughes already has defeated GSP. Guess what? BJ Penn lost to GSP. And, Penn was not acting very smartly when he took that match against Lyoto. Ryoto Machida is a heavyweight. He is a big guy and he handled Penn easily. Why would Matt Hughes fight Lyoto? It would never happen. And, if you think that Renzo or Roderigo Gracie would easily defeat Matt Hughes, then I have two words for you: "Royce Gracie."

I wasn't implying the Gracies would have defeated Hughes. GSP and Machida would have. Oh, Hughes already beat GSP? Really? Does that mean they'll never have to fight again, Hughes is officially better forever? GSP would destroy Hughes now.

I know Hughes wouldn't take that fight, cos he knows he'd have zero chance against him and he only fights smaller dudes. He's a big, strong wrestler who cuts a lot of weight to fight smaller guys and overpower them.
I respect BJ a hell of a lot for fighting bigger guys (I respect Wandy for the same reason. And Vera.). Most welterweights are bigger than him, nevermind Machida. Yet, no-one has EVER finished him. And he's talking about fighting Franklin. You may call him stupid, to me he's a ****ing warrior.
And I hope he eventually does get to fight (& beat) Franklin, so you can see just how stupid he is.

P.S. I wish they'd have the weigh-ins on the day of the fight, so the weight cutting wouldn't be this much out of control.

RockemSockem · 09-01-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

This is the type of Baby Jay Penn worship that I think is silly.

Preach it. I like watching BJ fight. I think he has a decent chance of winning. But when the hell did he become the Messiah of the UFC. He returns, puts on a poor showing for what he's capable of, and people worship him like he's unbeatable. You may not think he lost that match to GSP, but he certainly didn't win in a convincing fassion. And he showed he has a very limited gas tank. Which is one of the biggest factors in a title fight. Matt Hughes is not easy to finish, and when Bj can't finish him early he's going to get frustrated like he did with GSP. Then he's going to gas like he did with GSP. Then he'sgoing to lose like he did with GSP.

Snow Patrol · 09-01-2006, 02:07 PM

Well, as I mentioned earlier, he's going to show up in shape now that's he quit professional training

GeorgeXVX · 09-01-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

Well, as I mentioned earlier, he's going to show up in shape now that's he quit professional training

haha!

asronn · 09-01-2006, 08:39 PM

why does everyone keep saying he gassed against gsp?? because he couldnt outwork gsp?? well please tell me who the hell outworks gsp. if Im not mistaken bj had gsp in some insane submission hold with like 20 seconds to go in the last round.

I understand if you think hughes will win against bj, but does that mean you have to be totally biased and try to downplay bj's skills just to make hughes look like the better fighter?? I personally think bj will submit hughes but if he doesnt I think hughes will win by decision. And if you think hughes is going to ko/tko/sub bj then you have not been watching mma very long. BJ has NEVER been finished.And he has fought guys who are just a tad bit better at finishing the country boy we all love to watch. I repeat bj hasNEVER been finished, now all the sudden he's going to be finished by a guy he dominated last time they fought???

you guys crack me up

Snow Patrol · 09-01-2006, 08:41 PM

Penn has never won a 5 round fight (he's been in 2) and he's never been finished. Those 2 things say a lot about the likely outcomes.

Gooner · 09-01-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

Penn has never won a 5 round fight (he's been in 2) and he's never been finished. Those 2 things say a lot about the likely outcomes.

Hughes-BJ 1 was a 5 round fight, it's just that BJ decided to end it in the first round.

I'm sure he won't go for the decision-win even if it would impress you.

Snow Patrol · 09-01-2006, 09:40 PM

Sorry, I made an error there. Penn has never won a 5 round fight that went the distance.

Gooner · 09-01-2006, 09:55 PM

Yeh, I knew what you meant, I was just being a cheeky git for a change.

There's a point there tho. If Hughes wins, it's most likely by decision. And the further the fight goes, the better it is for Hughes.

Remains to be seen.

DirtyChuckRulz! · 09-01-2006, 11:47 PM

this poll is stupid, all it proves is how little all these noobs know. If anyone wants to put some points on this fight giving me the 2-1 odds this poll is showing send me a PM.

Tinker Bell · 09-02-2006, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyChuckRulz!

this poll is stupid, all it proves is how little all these noobs know. If anyone wants to put some points on this fight giving me the 2-1 odds this poll is showing send me a PM.

Well instead of just calling the poll stupid and how it proves noobs know nothing, how about you post your opinion on the fight and how you see it going?

LEGHORN · 09-02-2006, 02:20 AM

I don't believe Hughes is going to allow a repeat of their previous fight. His conditioning is better and even though Penn will probably start off strong, I think Hughes will submit him no later than the 2nd round.

DirtyChuckRulz! · 09-02-2006, 03:22 AM

Hughes wil not submitt Penn. If and i mean if he wins it will be by decision.

I think B J will either submitt him in the third or win by decision. it will not be easy for either fighter to win. they are both GREAT champions and it is disrespectful to say any different. i just think Penn deserves a little more respect than he is getting these days.

He didnt get the nickname the prodigy for no good reason.

subgenius · 09-02-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

Then why was GSP bleeding from every orifice in his head and Penn looked like he hadn't even been in a fight?

He is a big guy and he handled Penn easily.
Did you even see that fight? Because if you did, then you have a serious bias issue (Of course we already knew that

). It was a close-fought decision. And don't miss the point. Lyoto would demolish Hughes because Hughes only has basic standup skills and would be completely overpowered on the ground.

The bleeding came from the shots that Penn threw very early in the match -- at about 1:30 to 2:00 into the match. The shot Penn threw that caused the eye-poke also opened a small cut under GSP's right eye. Just after that, Penn threw a punch that clipped the nose on the way up. All we discovered from that was that GSP's nose will bleed when it is hit. That is not much. We all bleed when we are hit in the nose.

GSP was on top of Penn a lot in this match. Yes, GSP is larger than Penn, and handled Penn very easily on the ground (despite the obvious pain that GSP was in from his nose and eye). GSP took Penn down quite a few times, including a power slam. Baby Jay had only one takedown on GSP that was noteworthy, and GSP reversed it rather quickly.

As far as Lyoto goes, yes -- the video of the Penn-Lyoto fight has been shown on these forums a few times. It is also on a HL video. Lyoto was the clear winner in that match. BJ was very aggressive, always on the attack, and he was paying for it. In the match between GSP and Penn, we see a different twist on that. GSP was on the aggressive and always on the attack. Penn was put on the defense most of that match.

Hughes-Lyoto? Okay. What weight class are we talking about? LW? WW? MW? LHW or HW? Seriously. Lyoto is a HW, and sometimes a LHW. I just do not see why Matt Hughes would fight Lyoto. There is nothing in it for either fighter.

subgenius · 09-02-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

I wasn't implying the Gracies would have defeated Hughes. GSP and Machida would have. Oh, Hughes already beat GSP? Really? Does that mean they'll never have to fight again, Hughes is officially better forever? GSP would destroy Hughes now.

I know Hughes wouldn't take that fight, cos he knows he'd have zero chance against him and he only fights smaller dudes. He's a big, strong wrestler who cuts a lot of weight to fight smaller guys and overpower them.
I respect BJ a hell of a lot for fighting bigger guys (I respect Wandy for the same reason. And Vera.). Most welterweights are bigger than him, nevermind Machida. Yet, no-one has EVER finished him. And he's talking about fighting Franklin. You may call him stupid, to me he's a ****ing warrior.
And I hope he eventually does get to fight (& beat) Franklin, so you can see just how stupid he is.

P.S. I wish they'd have the weigh-ins on the day of the fight, so the weight cutting wouldn't be this much out of control.

I'm not sure what you are on about with GSP and Hughes. You said that Penn's last four opponents would beat Hughes. GSP lost to Hughes already. Of course they WILL fight again. They were just scheduled to fight at UFC-63. So, YES. They will fight again. But, GSP did lose to Hughes, and that means you were wrong.

Lyoto would not be matched with Hughes. Lyoto is a HW most of the time. He is not coming down to 170 pounds. And, the Gracies would be hard pressed to beat Hughes. Even Duane Ludwig (Penn's reason for being stripped of the UFC WW title) would not beat Hughes. Of Penn's last five opponents, only Lyoto would be a threat to Hughes, but not at 170 pounds. The WW title would not be in danger with Lyoto.

I do think that Franklin-Penn would be a serious joke. I think that Franklin would KO Penn much the same as the Franklin-Quarry fight. Penn would be KTFO'd. That is just my opinion.

PS: I agree with you in your PS. I also think that they ought to do weigh-ins at least two hours to twenty minutes before a fight (especially a title fight).

kane · 09-02-2006, 11:23 AM

Hughes will not submit penn but will win by decision. Fatboy penn better have his cardio in superb conditioning as I don't want to see him gas after the first round. I do see matt taking bj down the whole fight, bj will stand up then get taken down again. Bj try to avoid the clinch and watch the homminck vs. gruegal fight. I just hope it's a good fight and I'll be rooting for bj as I hate matt.

subgenius · 09-02-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by asronn

why does everyone keep saying he gassed against gsp?? because he couldnt outwork gsp?? well please tell me who the hell outworks gsp. if Im not mistaken bj had gsp in some insane submission hold with like 20 seconds to go in the last round.

I understand if you think hughes will win against bj, but does that mean you have to be totally biased and try to downplay bj's skills just to make hughes look like the better fighter?? I personally think bj will submit hughes but if he doesnt I think hughes will win by decision. And if you think hughes is going to ko/tko/sub bj then you have not been watching mma very long. BJ has NEVER been finished.And he has fought guys who are just a tad bit better at finishing the country boy we all love to watch. I repeat bj hasNEVER been finished, now all the sudden he's going to be finished by a guy he dominated last time they fought???

you guys crack me up

Penn put way too much energy into trying to pound out a victory in the first round of his fight with GSP. You could see on Penn's face that he was tired at the end of round one. I think that all through that fight GSP was using leg kicks to slow down Penn. Also, the spinning back kicks will take the wind out of you and slow you down. And, having to carry the weight of a guy bigger than you will tire you out. Penn had to deal with all of those with takedowns and a slam thrown in for good measure.

In my view, the judges saw the right things in the GSP-Penn match. I do not often agree with them, but they called that fight right.

The reason that many of us see Penn as less skilled than Hughes now is that Penn has not been winning and has not shown any improvement. Hughes is a much better fighter now than when Penn last fought Hughes. Penn seems like the same or lesser fighter in his last five fights. And, that conditioning problem haunts Penn.

Gooner · 09-02-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I'm not sure what you are on about with GSP and Hughes. You said that Penn's last four opponents would beat Hughes. GSP lost to Hughes already. Of course they WILL fight again. They were just scheduled to fight at UFC-63. So, YES. They will fight again. But, GSP did lose to Hughes, and that means you were wrong.

No. I said Hughes' record against those 4 opponents would "ALSO BE 2-2". Quit making stuff up. That means Machida and GSP would have beat him imo.

That means I'm wrong? Is that a FACT now? Just because Hughes beat GSP a long time ago, it DOES NOT mean he would have beat him at UFC 58. Understand?

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Lyoto would not be matched with Hughes. Lyoto is a HW most of the time. He is not coming down to 170 pounds. And, the Gracies would be hard pressed to beat Hughes. Even Duane Ludwig (Penn's reason for being stripped of the UFC WW title) would not beat Hughes. Of Penn's last five opponents, only Lyoto would be a threat to Hughes, but not at 170 pounds. The WW title would not be in danger with Lyoto.

I already covered this. I respect BJ for fighting bigger guys. He's not really even a welterweight. Yes, Hughes wouldn't fight Machida. And yes, Hughes would beat Gomi too, but only because he's so much bigger. For BJ he's about the same size and the top LW, and BJ beat him easy.

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I do think that Franklin-Penn would be a serious joke. I think that Franklin would KO Penn much the same as the Franklin-Quarry fight. Penn would be KTFO'd. That is just my opinion.

Then why the hell did Machida not KO BJ, but did KO Franklin? It wouldn't be a joke, not even close. I'm not saying BJ would win for sure, but he wouldn't be hopeless.

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PS: I agree with you in your PS. I also think that they ought to do weigh-ins at least two hours to twenty minutes before a fight (especially a title fight)

That would be nice.