Rashad battle cry!!!!!

GSPALLTHEWAY · 06-30-2006, 02:23 PM

rashad is a huge powerful guy for 205... he can keep most 205ers on their back and make them look bad... win a decision... zzzzzz

Crashsti · 06-30-2006, 02:26 PM

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Why shouldn't the guy laying on his back be equally responsible to make it a fight? Is laying on your back holding your opponent's wrists praiseworthy? Bonnar didn't fight, so he lost. I'm seriously underwhelmed by his bjj.

even BJJ requires that your opponent attempt to do something. its not like in the old UFC were a BJJ fighter had 30 minutes to wear a guy down and force him to make a mistake. BJJ is not some crazy offensive art that allows you to work at will. matters are made worse when the guy on top is stronger than you are and can hold you down.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 06-30-2006, 02:32 PM

if evans doesnt KO anyone he wont continue to move up... and im sure that if he does fight a good level oppenent who is up and coming if it goes toa decision (which it will obviously) he will lose... the UFC and the judges arent looking to move up someone who has 0 fan appeal and cant finish anyone

Bomber · 06-30-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

if evans doesnt KO anyone he wont continue to move up... and im sure that if he does fight a good level oppenent who is up and coming if it goes toa decision (which it will obviously) he will lose... the UFC and the judges arent looking to move up someone who has 0 fan appeal and cant finish anyone

So you have an inside track on the UFC's plan for Evans, huh? I enjoyed the fight, and I'm sure a lot of others did too.

Flying Triangle Choke · 06-30-2006, 02:39 PM

So....if Rashad announced tomorrow that he's retiring from MMA, who's throwing the party?

Bomber · 06-30-2006, 02:45 PM

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matters are made worse when the guy on top is stronger than you are and can hold you down.

That's all Royce ever fought is bigger stronger guys. But in his guard he was constantly on the offence with strikes and submission attempts. He didn't lay-and-lay like Bonnar. What you said about Bonnar not getting openings applies equally. Bonnar did nothing so Evans didn't have any openings.

subgenius · 06-30-2006, 02:45 PM

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So....if Rashad announced tomorrow that he's retiring from MMA, who's throwing the party?

LOL, that is great. I bet a parade might be in order, LOL.

subgenius · 06-30-2006, 02:49 PM

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That's all Royce ever fought is bigger stronger guys. But in his guard he was constantly on the offence with strikes and submission attempts. He didn't lay-and-lay like Bonnar. What you said about Bonnar not getting openings applies equally. Bonnar did nothing so Evans didn't have any openings.

I think it gets worse for Bonnar because we all know that he DOES have the skills to fight from the top or the bottom or just standing. He really hurt himself by not gaining any advantages or by not being effective. It was pointed out by the commentators and some around here that Evans' sweat made him slick and hard to submitt. That does not really mean that Evans was avoiding anything by skill.

Evans just did not committ himself to any GnP, which would have helped him win in what we all would feel was a good fight. But, if he had committed to GnP, then he would have had to take a risk. He might have been submitted. It seems Evans held back because of that.

Crashsti · 06-30-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

That's all Royce ever fought is bigger stronger guys. But in his guard he was constantly on the offence with strikes and submission attempts. He didn't lay-and-lay like Bonnar. What you said about Bonnar not getting openings applies equally. Bonnar did nothing so Evans didn't have any openings.

Royce fought guys who did'nt know anything about BJJ, he fought guys who did'nt realize that being on the bottom was where Royce wanted be. its a differant era that your trying to use as a comparison and it does'nt work. look what happened to Royce when he fought Matt, he got his ass kicked.

Flying Triangle Choke · 06-30-2006, 02:57 PM

It kind of makes me wonder...if Evans got into a fight at a bar or in a back alley or something like that, do you think he would use lay-n-pray?

Crashsti · 06-30-2006, 03:05 PM

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It kind of makes me wonder...if Evans got into a fight at a bar or in a back alley or something like that, do you think he would use lay-n-pray?

thats an interesting question but in the cage he knows that he can lay and pray and Big John is'nt going to cheap shot him when they're down. the UFC has done alot to push the action but perhaps they need to be quicker about restarts of penalize unused takedowns.

sitnspin · 06-30-2006, 03:15 PM

Rashads got fans. He's a likeable guy and people respect those monster takedowns, the same way they like to see guys like Matt Hughes and Matt Hammil do them. He needs to work on some other parts of his game, but he will. Matt Hughes was only a wrestler at one point.

Bomber · 06-30-2006, 03:16 PM

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Evans just did not committ himself to any GnP, which would have helped him win in what we all would feel was a good fight. But, if he had committed to GnP, then he would have had to take a risk. He might have been submitted. It seems Evans held back because of that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the way Evans fought either. But I see it as a combination of inexperience and the confidence that he was winning the fight without the need to take risks. Not the most appealing thinking in a fight, but it worked. He's through, and Bonnar's career has taken a big hit. Maybe if Bonnar had taken some risks he'd be training for a rematch with Griffin now.

Bomber · 06-30-2006, 03:47 PM

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Rashads got fans. He's a likeable guy and people respect those monster takedowns, the same way they like to see guys like Matt Hughes and Matt Hammil do them.

I like to see monster takedowns. The body slam is one the most formidable moves in MMA.

Evans needs to study Matt Hughes. Often when Matt slams, he ends up in side guard, instead of full guard. If Rashad could perfect that technique, he'd be much better position for G&P.

Bomber · 06-30-2006, 03:50 PM

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LOL, that is great. I bet a parade might be in order, LOL.

The parade will be held by Rashad fans after he goes through Griffin.

PghPens71 · 06-30-2006, 03:55 PM

I think Rashad has a much better chance of beating Forrest then he does a Lambert or MVA. Lambert or MVA would just out class him at his own game... with Forrest I think it'd be similar to Bonnar.
We saw how Forrest handled the two legged Tito's takedowns, when he had 2 legs, and that didn't work out too well for him.
Evans is no Tito but he's got his takedowns and LnP.

PghPens71 · 06-30-2006, 03:58 PM

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It kind of makes me wonder...if Evans got into a fight at a bar or in a back alley or something like that, do you think he would use lay-n-pray?

Very valid question. the EvansPowerSlam yo. He has sweat glands that work way faster than the usual human too so he can drown his opponent in dude-sweat and avoid submissions.

Unknown · 06-30-2006, 04:00 PM

Rashad really really needs to work on doing something on the ground. That was worse than koscheck for inactivity. But he is a great wrestler and could do something with that....eventually.

Bomber · 06-30-2006, 04:04 PM

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Evans is no Tito but he's got his takedowns and LnP.

He's also a better boxer than Griffin.

subgenius · 06-30-2006, 04:15 PM

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He's also a better boxer than Griffin.

Then why is he afraid to use it? If he is such a good boxer, then why not KO some people?