Bj Penn

Grave · 10-05-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

Diego via cardio

Diego via cardio, heart, and determination.

Jras0001 · 10-05-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Grave

Diego via cardio, heart, and determination.

I think BJ would take this match. As good at takedowns as Diego is, he isnt better than Hughes and he had one hell of a time just to get him down, and it seems that he did that only after BJ (allegedly) was injured. I dont think Diego is as good of a striker as Bj and would have a very difficult time standing with him. I just dont think that Diego will pull this out. He had a tough match with Karo and some argue that Karo won that fight.

I really hope this match happens sometime soon and when BJ is 100%. I dont want to see him come in the fight and be lackluster due to an injury or anything like that. I want to see a 100% BJ vs. a 100% Diego.

Ryduce · 10-05-2006, 07:31 PM

He would take him down late in the fight if he's patient and persisitent ala Nog/CroCop as long as he doesn't eat a ton of punches in the process.BJ can't defend takedowns forever.GSP and Hughes both took him down late in the fight with relative ease,and while I don't believe he is as good a wrestler as Hughes or GSP is,I think he would do just enough to get the job done,and BJ will be gassed from defending the takedown the entire fight.

Diego trains with some good wrestlers(Rashad,Marquardt)and will be much improved in that area by the time they fight.His stand up will also be improved enough not to be completely murdered by Penn.And I truly believe that if he is able to get BJ down late in the fight he will have too fast a ground pace for him.He won't just lay in his guard like GSP did.

The question is could he finish The Prodigy?

Grave · 10-05-2006, 08:23 PM

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The question is could he finish The Prodigy?

Yes, for one thing BJ has'ent been a "Prodigy" for years now.

Diego has everything BJ lacks: The heart, the drive, hunger, determination, Great Training with jackson, etc.

Gooner · 10-06-2006, 12:27 AM

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Yes, for one thing BJ has'ent been a "Prodigy" for years now.

Diego has everything BJ lacks: The heart, the drive, hunger, determination, Great Training with jackson, etc.

OK, then one of us has got the meaning of the word "prodigy" wrong. At least the way it's translated in my language, it means that someone is mainly exceptionally talented.
That of course doesn't change if the person in question ****s around and doesn't use his talent to the fullest.

And all those things you say "Diego has", but BJ supposedly lacks are pretty much the same thing repeated 4 times, and then training with GJ.
We'll see how much his "heart, drive, hunger and determination" help when he gets KTFO.

And please, since when did this Greg Jackson become some MMA-legend? BJ has trained with a lot of great fighters, who've had different strengths. Like Frank Shamrock, Matt Lindland, Randy Couture etc.
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I think BJ would take this match. As good at takedowns as Diego is, he isnt better than Hughes and he had one hell of a time just to get him down, and it seems that he did that only after BJ (allegedly) was injured.

Yup.

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I dont think Diego is as good of a striker as Bj and would have a very difficult time standing with him.

A huge understatement. BJ has better stand-up with one hand tied behind his back.

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I really hope this match happens sometime soon and when BJ is 100%. I dont want to see him come in the fight and be lackluster due to an injury or anything like that. I want to see a 100% BJ vs. a 100% Diego.

This is what I want too. That would most likely make for a very one-sided affair, but I wouldn't mind.

Grave · 10-06-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

OK, then one of us has got the meaning of the word "prodigy" wrong. At least the way it's translated in my language, it means that someone is mainly exceptionally talented.
That of course doesn't change if the person in question ****s around and doesn't use his talent to the fullest.

Actually it does change, as a "True Prodigy" would'nt do such things. Such as training like a bum, being too overconfident, not being properly prepared, etc.

Perhaps he *WAS* a prodigy once before, but it might be no longer. Now it may just be a title and nothing more.

If Diego beats him that'll be the final nail in the coffin, as far as BJ being a REAL "prodigy" goes.

Gooner · 10-06-2006, 01:24 AM

Nope. That would only make him a "failed prodigy".

I think you'll find those in history too. People with exceptional talent, who wasted their talent.

But fear not, Grave. BJ Penn will reign supreme once more.

Grave · 10-06-2006, 01:49 AM

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Nope. That would only make him a "failed prodigy".

I think you'll find those in history too. People with exceptional talent, who wasted their talent.

If they "wasted their talent", then they were'nt really prodigys to begin with, or at least not anymore. Since a TRUE prodigy simply would NOT let his talents just go to waste like that.

Further more, it does'ent matter how "talented" a person may be if they don't put that talent to use. May as well not even have it, the end result would still be the same.

PghPens71 · 10-06-2006, 01:51 AM

They simply need a 3rd fight assuming Matt survives the 'George St Pierre Experience' -- which he won't. Facts are facts. Penn dominated Hughes 1-0 Penn. Hughes out cardio-ed Penn after losing the 1st 2 rounds.... ahem... 1-1. Which is more convincing/sexy?? Uno, 1, eins.
We need a 3rd fight to shut all these noob/tuf/legit Hughes fanz up once and for all. And when that 4rd fight is... Andrea at Hooters better be working again.... my BJ Penn angel.

Dirty Fighter · 10-06-2006, 03:39 AM

Assume GSP beats Hughes and BJ beats Sanchez. Then it's between Hughes and Penn for the title shot in a three round fight. What's the chances of Penn gassing/getting injured again? Hughes would have to find a way to outfight Penn to beat him and I don't see that happening.

L0cusT · 10-06-2006, 07:07 AM

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He would take him down late in the fight if he's patient and persisitent ala Nog/CroCop as long as he doesn't eat a ton of punches in the process.BJ can't defend takedowns forever.GSP and Hughes both took him down late in the fight with relative ease,and while I don't believe he is as good a wrestler as Hughes or GSP is,I think he would do just enough to get the job done,and BJ will be gassed from defending the takedown the entire fight.

Diego trains with some good wrestlers(Rashad,Marquardt)and will be much improved in that area by the time they fight.His stand up will also be improved enough not to be completely murdered by Penn.And I truly believe that if he is able to get BJ down late in the fight he will have too fast a ground pace for him.He won't just lay in his guard like GSP did.

The question is could he finish The Prodigy?

gsp had problem passing penn's guard on the ground, hughes had this problem too...you think that diego can pass his guard easily and not "lay" ? yeah i forgot, he beated Marcelo Garcia...ho no wait! he didnt beat him, he just had a good wrestling match with him...and now hes training with who...? Rashad and marquartd? are they at the level or Garcia? how can he improve if they not at the level or the grand Marcelo!

subgenius · 10-06-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

And please, since when did this Greg Jackson become some MMA-legend? BJ has trained with a lot of great fighters, who've had different strengths. Like Frank Shamrock, Matt Lindland, Randy Couture etc.

Okay, do not disrespect Greg Jackson, please. I am asking you nicely.

This is a guy that is in the process of inventing and perfecting a new MA form, or rather a new MMA form, called Gaidojutsu. To my knowledge, Greg Jackson has trained at least ten world champions in MMA. No, I don't think that Jackson himself ever won a title, but competing and winning titles are not the only measures of greatness in MA or MMA. In sports, yes titles matter, but MA is not JUST a sport and neither is MMA.

Here is a little bio on Greg Jackson:

Greg Jackson was born in Washington, D.C. At the age of 3 the Jackson family moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Greg grew up in a family of wrestlers. Greg's grandfather, uncle and brother were all wrestlers. Greg's father, uncle and brother were all champion wrestlers. Growing up in a rough neighborhood, at a young age Greg started studying martial arts. After many years of experience Greg was looking for something more. Combining basic Judo locks with his wrestling Greg started to formulate his own style of martial arts and self defense also known as Gaidojutsu.

In 1992 Greg opened his first school. In 1993 Greg saw the first Ultimate Fighting Championship and realized that the Gracie family (which are well known for their very effective style of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) was much more advanced than his current ideas. Shortly after viewing the first UFC Greg started to diligently develop more techniques. Also, in 1993 Greg started training in kickboxing under his mentor Michael Winkeljohn. Mr. Winkeljohn is a 5 time world champion and is still to this day a mentor to Greg Jackson.

Greg is constantly looking for new ways to make Gaidojutsu more efficient. Gaidojutsu has been proven in both self defense and in the world of Mixed Martial Arts. To this day Greg Jackson has developed 10 world champions. His team has won such prestigious awards such as Grapplers Quest, the Pan American games and others. Jackson's fight team is also ranked number 1 in the highest winning percentage by Sherdog.com. Greg has competitors in Pride, UFC, Abu Dhabi, and many other prestigious events. Greg also has had competitors on the Ultimate Fighter, seasons 1 and 2 on Spike TV.

Greg still lives and trains in Albuquerque, New Mexico with his family. In addition to being one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world, Greg will continue to build one of the largest MMA schools.

subgenius · 10-06-2006, 12:34 PM

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gsp had problem passing penn's guard on the ground, hughes had this problem too...you think that diego can pass his guard easily and not "lay" ? yeah i forgot, he beated Marcelo Garcia...ho no wait! he didnt beat him, he just had a good wrestling match with him...and now hes training with who...? Rashad and marquartd? are they at the level or Garcia? how can he improve if they not at the level or the grand Marcelo!

After 20 fights with 20 straight wins, why are people still guessing about Diego Sánchez's wrestling ability. It is not easy to win a State wrestling championship. It is not easy to beat 20 straigh opponents. He demonstrates his ability in nearly every single one of those 20 matches.

subgenius · 10-06-2006, 12:35 PM

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Assume GSP beats Hughes and BJ beats Sanchez. Then it's between Hughes and Penn for the title shot in a three round fight. What's the chances of Penn gassing/getting injured again? Hughes would have to find a way to outfight Penn to beat him and I don't see that happening.

You mean GSP v Penn in a FIVE round title fight, should GSP defeat Hughes and Penn defeat Diego. Right?

subgenius · 10-06-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PghPens71

They simply need a 3rd fight assuming Matt survives the 'George St Pierre Experience' -- which he won't. Facts are facts. Penn dominated Hughes 1-0 Penn. Hughes out cardio-ed Penn after losing the 1st 2 rounds.... ahem... 1-1. Which is more convincing/sexy?? Uno, 1, eins.
We need a 3rd fight to shut all these noob/tuf/legit Hughes fanz up once and for all. And when that 4rd fight is... Andrea at Hooters better be working again.... my BJ Penn angel.

Round two in fight two is debateable. However, no denying the domination of Hughes over Penn in the last fight. Round one and two are now meaningless footnotes to what happened in round three. End of story. Rounds one and two will never be seen in the record books -- only a win for Hughes and a loss for Penn. All else became irrelevent when Hughes' hand was raised in victory.

Ryduce · 10-06-2006, 12:41 PM

Diego has a better BJJ game than both GSP and Hughes.I think I've proven this.And you are comparing Rashad's pure wrestling to Garcia's all around grappling game which is irrelevant.In terms of pure wrestling Rashad is one of the best in the UFC,and Garcia's grappling style isn't even really suited for MMA.I was using the Garcia match to prove that Diego's ground game is on an entirely different level than people give him credit for.You guys are just throwing it in my face that a young Diego lost to one of the best grapplers in the world(like that's a bad thing)to substantiate this claim that Diego sucks,and BJ is this invincible god.Penn has a very good BJJ game and he was a world champ about 7 years ago,and while I feel he would be very competitve,I doubt he could win another world championship in BJJ.There are far too many great grapplers out there nowadays.

The point I was trying to make was...

-Diego's takedowns and all around wrestling will be improved.
-Diego's stand up will be improved enough not to be completely murdered by BJ.
-Diegos BJJ IS world class.

If BJ is gassed late in the fight he is in big trouble.Diego can pass his guard and anyone elses in the world.This has been proven.

I've never once stated that Diego would beat Penn,but Diego is an incredible fighter and you guys are just selling him short,and that is a mistake.

Ryduce · 10-06-2006, 12:47 PM

Well guys this just in.

Diego vs Riggs in December on SpikeTV.http://www.diegonightmare.com/

Seems like a step back after defeatiing the #4 WW,but whatever.

subgenius · 10-06-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

Well guys this just in.

Diego vs Riggs in December on SpikeTV.http://www.diegonightmare.com/

Seems like a step back after defeatiing the #4 WW,but whatever.

Yeah, that is dissappointing. I feel Riggs is not at his right weight class. I wish that he would step up to MW. At WW he is just not as strong and effective as he should be. I think Diego will win that match. However, I would not be dissappointed should Diego lose to Riggs. I like and respect both fighters very much. And, despite my great dislike of Penn, I would not be put off of Sánchez should he lose to a Penn level fighter. I just see Riggs-Diego ending similar to Hughes-Riggs last November. This fight seems like filler so that Diego stays sharp while awaiting Penn.

Bomber · 10-06-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

Well guys this just in.

Diego vs Riggs in December on SpikeTV.http://www.diegonightmare.com/

Seems like a step back after defeatiing the #4 WW,but whatever.

And the coddling continues....

subgenius · 10-06-2006, 01:02 PM

By the way, for anyone interested, check out Diego Sánchez's MySPace.com website at:

Diego Sánchez MySPace

Check out his videos. The first one is about not wasting your DNA, LOL. Look at who is in the audience. And, there is a cool three-minute HL video as well. Check it out.