Bj Penn

Harms · 09-25-2006, 01:36 PM

I wouldn't go off the deep end that he is done. I would like to see him fight. I'd like to see him come back as a WW and work his way back up.

Gooner · 09-25-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I think that it is really very funny that anyone thinks that BJ Penn will win any belts, much less the LW or WW belts. Those guys down in the LW division are coming ready to win. I bet Hominick would KO Penn. I bet Stevenson would beat Penn the same way that Hughes beat Penn. I am even willing to say that Sherk and Ken-Flo would beat Penn. They all come ready to win, and ready to fight the entire match, and they all have skills. BJ Penn is done. Stick a fork in him.

Oh please. Even your seriously warped mind had to see how close BJ was to getting the belt on saturday even.

The rest of your post is just retarded.
-Homminick would KO BJ, Machida couldn't do it, but Homminick can...
-comparing Stevenson and Hughes?
-Sherk? the guy, that GSP absolutely destroyed?
-aaaand of course, Ken-Flo.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You MUST be a wind-up/*****, no-one can be that stupid really. Someone should stick a fork in you (or a chainsaw, what do I care).

subgenius · 09-25-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

Oh please. Even your seriously warped mind had to see how close BJ was to getting the belt on saturday even.

The rest of your post is just retarded.
-Homminick would KO BJ, Machida couldn't do it, but Homminick can...
-comparing Stevenson and Hughes?
-Sherk? the guy, that GSP absolutely destroyed?
-aaaand of course, Ken-Flo.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You MUST be a wind-up/*****, no-one can be that stupid really. Someone should stick a fork in you (or a chainsaw, what do I care).

Let us just take a look at how warped my mind really is...

When it was announced that BJ Penn would return, I said that he would lose to Matt Hughes. Then they matched Penn with GSP. I said for over six weeks that GSP would NOT lose to Penn. Everyone said I was nuts back then. Now, who was right? Me? Or those others? Who won the fights? Well, I will tell you in case you missed it: GSP defeated BJ Penn, and Matt Hughes defeated BJ Penn. So, my track record with Penn is far better than a lot of people around here.

Penn will not ever again hold a title in the UFC.

As far as the athletes that I mentioned beating a guy that ONLY has skill, I will go with the guys that come ready to go three or five rounds over some loser (I mean loser in matches, not in life) that cannot get past the first round without gassing like a stuck baloon flying around the room.

Hominick is a KO and submission fighter. He likes to bang. He has good ground skills. He also likes to turn his back and run, but I think that won't matter with Penn. At least Hominick has KO's in the last few years. Penn has not KO'd anyone in like four years.

And, Stevenson has Hughes style ground fighting. It seems you did not see TUF when Stevenson beat an opponent in nearly the same fashion that Hughes used to beat Penn. Stevenson is a LW fighter, not WW. He is best at that level. He will beat Penn.

Sherk lost to GSP at WW. Now, at LW, it is a different story -- THAT is why they have Sherk and Ken-Flo fighting for UFC LW gold. Penn? The UFC never even considered Penn as a contender to that title.

You people are such Penn glorifiers that you cannot see past Penn's striking ability or his less than impressive BJJ skills. He may have been great a few years ago, but now more fighters are BJJ black belts -- like Ken-Flo.

Ryduce · 09-25-2006, 01:58 PM

Hominick couldn't even put away Gurgel.

I know you hate BJ dude,but come on.

MadOne · 09-25-2006, 02:01 PM

My opinion of BJ Penn has changed since watching him this past saterday.
During parts of the first and second round, it seemed Penn was gonna beat Hughes. Seeing how tired Penn was in the third round was a major let down. You knew automaticly that Penn was out of the fight with just the look on his face.
There was no way Matt could loose at that point, and everyone knew it as well. I'm glad Matt won the fight, but I was impressed with Penn for those first two rounds.

Gooner · 09-25-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Let us just take a look at how warped my mind really is...

When it was announced that BJ Penn would return, I said that he would lose to Matt Hughes. Then they matched Penn with GSP. I said for over six weeks that GSP would NOT lose to Penn. Everyone said I was nuts back then. Now, who was right? Me? Or those others? Who won the fights? Well, I will tell you in case you missed it: GSP defeated BJ Penn, and Matt Hughes defeated BJ Penn. So, my track record with Penn is far better than a lot of people around here.

Penn will not ever again hold a title in the UFC.

As far as the athletes that I mentioned beating a guy that ONLY has skill, I will go with the guys that come ready to go three or five rounds over some loser (I mean loser in matches, not in life) that cannot get past the first round without gassing like a stuck baloon flying around the room. Hominick is a KO fighter. He likes to bang. He also likes to turn his back and run, but I think that won't matter with Penn. At least Hominick has KO's in the last few years. Penn has not KO'd anyone in like four years.

And, Stevenson has Hughes style ground fighting. It seems you did not see TUF when Stevenson beat an opponent in nearly the same fashion that Hughes used to beat Penn. Stevenson is a LW fighter, not WW. He is best at that level. He will beat Penn.

Sherk lost to GSP at WW. Now, at LW, it is a different story -- THAT is why they have Sherk and Ken-Flo fighting for UFC LW gold. Penn? The UFC never even considered Penn as a contender to that title.

You people are such Penn glorifiers that you cannot see past Penn's striking ability or his less than impressive BJJ skills. He may have been great a few years ago, but now more fighters are BJJ black belts -- like Ken-Flo.

This post is a prime example, why I should just ignore this guy.
Yes, BJ has less than impressive BJJ.

Homminick is a KO fighter. Again, I suppose Machida isn't?

Sherk and Stevenson are smaller and weaker than Hughes. Hughes struggled like hell to take BJ down (and so did Randy ****ing Couture), but Sherk&Stevenson could still do it. Yep yep.

Replying your posts is a fun time-killer, but I think I need a break now.

subgenius · 09-25-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

Hominick couldn't even put away Gurgel.

I know you hate BJ dude,but come on.

Even Jorge Gurgel would beat BJ Penn. You have probably only seen one or two fights with Gurgel. But, that rationalization that since Hominick had trouble with Gurgel, then he cannot beat Penn, well... That is just nonsense.

BJ Penn is not going to be a great fighter anymore. He does not care enough to come ready to cardio his way to the late rounds. He does not have the drive or the interest to train and be prepared. He took Matt Hughes lightly, and he paid for that. Nothing in his last five fights indicates anything different.

subgenius · 09-25-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

This post is a prime example, why I should just ignore this guy.
Yes, BJ has less than impressive BJJ.

Homminick is a KO fighter. Again, I suppose Machida isn't?

Sherk and Stevenson are smaller and weaker than Hughes. Hughes struggled like hell to take BJ down (and so did Randy ****ing Couture), but Sherk&Stevenson could still do it. Yep yep.

Replying your posts is a fun time-killer, but I think I need a break now.

I could care less who you ignore. That just tells me how little you know about MMA. Go ahead, roll the eyes. That won't make Penn a better fighter, and it won't reverse the decision against GSP or the loss to Hughes. Penn lost fair and square. He deserved to lose. And, I said a long time ago that he was washed up.

Machida has had three TKO wins. No strickly KO victories. Machida is a great fighter, but he is not a KO specialist.

Randy Couture never fought BJ Penn. WTF are you talking about?

Make some sense before you go attacking someone.

MadOne · 09-25-2006, 02:10 PM

I think Randy mentioned during the fight that he trained/sparred with Penn once as Penn was coming up in WC. He mentioned he was hard to take down... but not like he didn't take him down.

Gooner · 09-25-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Machida has had three TKO wins. No strickly KO victories. Machida is a great fighter, but he is not a KO specialist.

Randy Couture never fought BJ Penn. WTF are you talking about?

Make some sense before you go attacking someone.

Machida KO'd Rich Franklin, OK. He knocked him down standing, and followed with punches. Call it a TKO or whatever, but he didn't do that to BJ, and yes, he has more KO-power than Hominick. If you disagree with that, well done.

I guess you weren't watching even the latest PPV, where RANDY EXPLAINED ONCE MORE ABOUT THEIR TRAINING TOGETHER.

And, now Jorge "I can't finish Danny Abbadi" Gurgel would beat BJ...

Yeah, you're right, I'm the one that doesn't know a thing about MMA.
*ran out of rolling eyes already

Ryduce · 09-25-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Even Jorge Gurgel would beat BJ Penn. You have probably only seen one or two fights with Gurgel. But, that rationalization that since Hominick had trouble with Gurgel, then he cannot beat Penn, well... That is just nonsense.

BJ Penn is not going to be a great fighter anymore. He does not care enough to come ready to cardio his way to the late rounds. He does not have the drive or the interest to train and be prepared. He took Matt Hughes lightly, and he paid for that. Nothing in his last five fights indicates anything different.

I admire your spirit,but man you're crazy.

I have probably seen more Gurgel fights than you.Imanari totally clowned him and busted his knee within a minute.Hominick totally outstruck Gurgel,and Danny freaking Abaddi almost did the same.

Gurgel hasn't beat anyone.BJ has been in there with the best and has proved himself.He beat Hughes,then he went and fought 205 pounders and held his own,then he gave Hughes a run for his money the second time around.

I know you hate BJ with a passion,but you can't take his skills away from him.

If you honestly think that Gurgel or Hominick can stand and trade with Machida.You are seriously crazy.

subgenius · 09-25-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

Machida KO'd Rich Franklin, OK. He knocked him down standing, and followed with punches. Call it a TKO or whatever, but he didn't do that to BJ, and yes, he has more KO-power than Hominick. If you disagree with that, well done.

I guess you weren't watching even the latest PPV, where RANDY EXPLAINED ONCE MORE ABOUT THEIR TRAINING TOGETHER.

And, now Jorge "I can't finish Danny Abbadi" Gurgel would beat BJ...

Yeah, you're right, I'm the one that doesn't know a thing about MMA.
*ran out of rolling eyes already

Who cares about sparring and training? I mean besides the guys sparring and training to prepare for a match. THAT is NOT the same as actually getting a match and fighting. Sparring and training only approximates the real fight. They use less power and hit less hard to avoid an injury before the fight. When they go too much too hard, then we see what happened to Parisyan and GSP. Unless you can show me a match between Couture and Penn where Randy struggled to get a takedown, then what you (and Randy) said is just really nothing but opinion.

And, just because Gurgel had trouble with Abbadi, does not mean that he cannot beat anyone else. And, Penn is just not that good. He has some striking that he used to win a few matches over four years ago, but since then he has been unable to win any fights by KO or TKO. Hominick has KO and TKO wins in the recent past.

OMG, you guys really are way up BJ Penn's butt. You cannout see the reality of what he has become in the past few years. He is now 2-3 in his last five fights. This guy does not want to be a fighter anymore. WTH was Randy thinking? Why didn't he slap the F out of Penn and make him train cardio rather than takedown defense. Penn needs NO takedown defense training. That shows that sometimes you need to pick a better training partner that will push you to your limits. Penn was probably arrogant with Couture and told him he does not need the cardio. I bet Randy is laughing at Penn now. I would be laughing.

Bomber · 09-25-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MadOne

Seeing how tired Penn was in the third round was a major let down. You knew automaticly that Penn was out of the fight with just the look on his face.

Actually it was an injured rib that took Penn out of the fight, not his cardio.

http://www.bjpenn.com/index.php

subgenius · 09-25-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

If you honestly think that Gurgel or Hominick can stand and trade with Machida.You are seriously crazy.

Gurgel or Homick and Machida? Who ever said anything about that. Penn is no Machida. Penn is not even any longer the Penn that you guys love and remember. The Penn we saw in the last two matches of his was nothing like the Penn we saw years ago. All the fighters now are more talented. Penn would likely get beat by Abbadi as well. I have no respect for Penn's ability to win a match anymore.

subgenius · 09-25-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

Actually it was an injured rib that took Penn out of the fight, not his cardio.

http://www.bjpenn.com/index.php

Great, more excuses.

Come on, guys.

Ryduce · 09-25-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

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Alright man it's official.You're crazy.

subgenius · 09-25-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryduce

Alright man it's official.You're crazy.

Nah, just more dissapointed in Penn than you are and YOU are a fan of the guy -- I do not even like him. He made the fight against GSP and Hughes a joke. He did not come ready to fight either time. At this point, I think that a five year old kid could beat Penn (not really, but that is how little I respect Penn for what he has done in the last two or so years).

Bomber · 09-25-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

You people are such Penn glorifiers that you cannot see past Penn's striking ability or his less than impressive BJJ skills. He may have been great a few years ago, but now more fighters are BJJ black belts -- like Ken-Flo.

You should change your moniker to "Blindedbyhatred".

Bomber · 09-25-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Great, more excuses.

Come on, guys.

We'll get to see the medical suspension this time, not that even that will convince YOU.

subgenius · 09-25-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

We'll get to see the medical suspension this time, not that even that will convince YOU.

THAT would better. When we get it, let's revisit this discussion. If the UFC suspends (medically) BJ Penn for rib injuries, then I will gladly admit that I was wrong. But, right now, it looks convenient. "Hughes did not beat me, I slipped in the shower and hurt a rib before the match." I know he did not say that, but it sure sounds like excuses and sour grapes to me.