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w0264007 · 10-26-2006, 06:29 PM

Josh Barnett talking trash to hype up a crowd at a pep rally is not equal to Matt Hughes talking trash to GSP IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS to get in his head. Or talking trash about BJ after his unimpressive performance, or talking about how 1 dimensional Royce is when he is pretty 1 dimensional too-the fight was fairly even standing up, or bitching about Riggs not making weight and saying that he didn't even put up a fight, or disrespecting Trigg for losing twice the same way, saying that that is beginner stuff, or any of the other crap he says about the people he beat, or the person who beat him (Hughes/Penn-1 being a fluke).

Hughes can be a classy guy, but sometimes he says some a--hole things. Tito is an A--hole all the time, and it works for him. When Matt does it, it just comes off as inappropriate.

Nimmy · 10-26-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by w0264007

Josh Barnett talking trash to hype up a crowd at a pep rally is not equal to Matt Hughes talking trash to get in GSP's head. Or talking trash a bout BJ after his unimpressive performance, or talking about how 1 dimensional Royce is when the fight was fairly even standing up, or Bitching about Riggs not making weight, or disrespecting Trigg for losing twice the same way, saying that that is beginner stuff, or any of the other crap he says about the people he beat, or the person who beat him (Hughes/Penn-1 being a fluke).

yep i dont think its as much of what they said its how they said it, matt hughes comes across realy arrogant and smug, i guess if your the top dog then you can afford to run your mouth but its a real personallity problem and when you fall alot of people you disrespected will be quick to jump on your back

subgenius · 10-26-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by w0264007

Josh Barnett talking trash to hype up a crowd at a pep rally is not equal to Matt Hughes talking trash to get in GSP's head. Or talking trash a bout BJ after his unimpressive performance, or talking about how 1 dimensional Royce is when the fight was fairly even standing up, or Bitching about Riggs not making weight, or disrespecting Trigg for losing twice the same way, saying that that is beginner stuff, or any of the other crap he says about the people he beat, or the person who beat him (Hughes/Penn-1 being a fluke).

Hughes defeat of Penn in the second fight was impressive. I don't know how anyone could say different. Josh Barnett talked trash. That too cannot be denied. You are trying to measure it in degrees, but it is all the same stuff. And, GSP even acknowledged that his "unimpressed" comment was designed to hype the fight and did not reflect how he really felt.

You cannot deny that Royce Gracie (whom I love) did not do well against a dominant Matt Hughes. Joe Riggs failed to make weight, and Hughes still took that fight. He deserved the right to uphold any opinion of that failure to make weight. And, even Trigg has made fun of his own inability to defend the RNC twice. Penn failed to defeat Hughes in the second match. That does not make the first win a fluke, but that comment was easily more hype.

It is a double standard.

angryjonny · 10-26-2006, 06:37 PM

A lot of people don't understand the kind of sense of humor Josh has. If you saw him at the end of the PPV after his fight with Mirko, Trigg went back to interview him and the first thing he did was an Elephant Man impression because his face was so messed up. It was just funny.

He didn't get up there and call Tim a douche bag on a live radio show like Tim did to LeBanner just because he challenged him.

subgenius · 10-26-2006, 06:38 PM

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yep i dont think its as much of what they said its how they said it, matt hughes comes across realy arrogant and smug, i guess if your the top dog then you can afford to run your mouth but its a real personallity problem and when you fall alot of people you disrespected will be quick to jump on your back

All the dogs run their mouths in MMA. Some are classy and some are not so dignified about it. Joe Riggs and Phil Baroni have street level class in the ways that they trash talk. Few fighters fail to trash talk. Fedor might be one. I think that AA has not really engaged in that very often. But, the larger spectrum of MMA fighters tend to be of the Frank Trigg ("GSP is not an A, B or C level fighter") or Nick Diaz style trash talkers. Just like Tito, most fighters realize that hype fills seats. That is true of any combat related sport. It is the fans that fail to realize any distinction. The fighters know what the business is like.

duke09 · 10-26-2006, 06:42 PM

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From all accounts is a citation meaning that multiple people have said this. its not a declaration from my own mouth, nor an indirect judgement, but rather more of a mosaic compiled from different accounts i have heard of him.

after re-reading what i posted, i may have sounded much more a-hollish that i had intended, so sorry for that, i also forgot a few lol and smiley faces. either way, i feel like matt hughes right now (a-hole, get it), so again my aplogies.

since i have been granted poetic license to re-iterate accounts, here are 10 reasons that i have heard why other people dont like rashad evans:

1. it has been suggested that he cant finish a fight, irrespective of his opponent

2. it has also been suggested that dana has babied him, for they both klnow that sionce he is stuck paying him, he might as well make themn both look good, thus fighting guys who are not in title contention

3. i have also heard that he is lazy and doesnt come prepared, almost as though his hands are attached to his knees the very moment the third round starts

4. it has also been alleged that he dropped from heavywieght as he was afraid of the competition

5. it has also been eluded to that he should have stayed at the weight cvlass he won the tuf in, as it wiould seem only appropriate, but see number 4

6. some people think he is a showboat, from what i have heard (see tuf where matt hughes talks to him)

7. rumour has it that he lacks professional courtesy, like when he had one of the best fighters in the world cornering him, but was afraid matt may not do a great job as he disliked him...just consider how insulting that may be, from what i hear

8. some people have suggested that he has done next to nothing to recieve the hype that he has recieved, and has yet to live up to it

9. i also heard that the fact that he won the tuf show isnt because of his skill, but rather that the rest of the talent on there wasn't as experienced as him (didnt brad imes only have 18 months in mma and rashad couldnt put him away, no disrespect to brad "from what i hear" but somebody once said that rashad was a talented and experienced fighter

10. i have heard from others that he takes up space on a card that could utilised by other fighters that are somewhat exciting to watch

given the nature of this post, i would like to re-iterate that i respect the hell out of rashad evans (that is truly how i feel about the man, or any person willing to step into the octagon, bar none!!), and that this si merely a synthesis of what others have said about the man

AikaImmortal · 10-26-2006, 06:44 PM

See, that is not figher bashing as much as it is critical comment. Fighter bashing is saying Rashad is as boring as my grandpas ww2 stories etc.

angryjonny · 10-26-2006, 06:45 PM

Okay. You can have those opinions about him there is nothing wrong with that. But it seems that you are living in the TUF past. It sounds like you haven't seen any of his fights or interviews after TUF and are off base on that one. I can't tell you what to think but none of those statements seem accurate about Rashad today.

RockemSockem · 10-26-2006, 06:47 PM

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Okay then. Josh Barnett is a big meanie head for saying that the UFC's HW division is lacking. He should be ashamed of himself for thinking such a dreadful thought. He is also overrated, stupid and shouldn't be allowed to ever fight again. Oh and Pride sucks and UFCRulez13!!!

Ok Grave.

Goeth27 · 10-26-2006, 06:47 PM

Hughes being confident against GSP, "That rotten son of a !!!!"

Josh Barnett trashing an entire organization and confident of beating any and every HW from the UFC, "What a swell guy"

Yes, that's the Double standard, and if you try to deny it, that's pretty damn sad.

subgenius · 10-26-2006, 06:48 PM

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See, that is not figher bashing as much as it is critical comment. Fighter bashing is saying Rashad is as boring as my grandpas ww2 stories etc.

I like WW2 stories. You should start a thread for that, LOL.

angryjonny · 10-26-2006, 06:50 PM

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Hughes being confident against GSP, "That rotten son of a !!!!"

Josh Barnett trashing an entire organization and confident of beating any and every HW from the UFC, "What a swell guy"

Yes, that's the Double standard, and if you try to deny it, that's pretty damn sad.

Why is it that Hughes is just being confident and Barnett is "trashing" and you cannot say being confident as well?

Yes that's another double standard.

Goeth27 · 10-26-2006, 06:52 PM

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Why is it that Hughes is just being confident and Barnett is "trashing" and you cannot say being confident as well?

Yes that's another double standard.

Reread, and btw, Hughes never said GSP would be a step down for him, did he?

angryjonny · 10-26-2006, 06:56 PM

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Reread, and btw, Hughes never said GSP would be a step down for him, did he?

That's not much different than Hughes trying to make St. Pierre look foolish on national tv. Come on now you are the one saying it's sad to try and defend the double standard.

My views are I don't care. If you want to go back and try and find where I was complaining about Hughes be my guest. My point is some of you guys are so sensitive these days. Constantly there are people here getting offended over the stupidest things.

Goeth27 · 10-26-2006, 07:00 PM

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My point is some of you guys are so sensitive these days. Constantly there are people here getting offended over the stupidest things.

All I did is say there was a double standard, now that I realize you notice that I am ok. All I was intending on doing is calling out those who trash on Hughes, yet praise Josh Barnett. It's pretty disgusting.

Grave · 10-26-2006, 07:04 PM

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What are you so upset about Grave? God forbid someone talks up the organization he works for and not the competitions!

I'm not upset, just annoyed. Its the whole principle of the double-standard that irks me. What we're getting into here is almost starting to sound like those racial double-standards lately.

Like how black guys can say the n-word all they want, in every sentence, in every conversation, and its "ok". If a white guy does the same, people call for him to be crucified.

Same with Pride Vs UFC. If a pride guy bashes UFC, claiming he could beat their competition, its "ok" and he might even be praised for it.

BUT if a UFC guy does the same, directed at Pride, he's then an arrogant jerkoff instead.

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It's not as bad as Hughes saying that Arlovski would take out Fedor easily because he has no ground game. Or Dana saying that he doesn't know anything about Fedor and saying that Chuck Liddell is the #1 p4p fighter in the world. Man some of you Pride haters are annoying. You don't have to like it but you are just as bad as the guys who bash on the UFC. And you talk about double standards?

I don't hate pride, never said i did. By you implying that i may have said that in the past, shows you don't know what you're talking about(as far as my side of the argument goes anyway).

w0264007 · 10-26-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Goeth27

Hughes being confident against GSP, "That rotten son of a !!!!"

Josh Barnett trashing an entire organization and confident of beating any and every HW from the UFC, "What a swell guy"

Yes, that's the Double standard, and if you try to deny it, that's pretty damn sad.

I will refer you back to my last post. The audience and the delivery make all the difference.

angryjonny · 10-26-2006, 07:07 PM

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All I did is say there was a double standard, now that I realize you notice that I am ok. All I was intending on doing is calling out those who trash on Hughes, yet praise Josh Barnett. It's pretty disgusting.

You know I just like to argue with you man. I think that all this stuff is way overblown anyway. Both the reactions to Hughes and Barnett. They are both just confident. I mean does anyone expect Barnett to say that he would get his butt kicked by Tim? Or that Hughes is afraid of St. Pierre who he has beaten already. Of course they are going to be confident. And also if anyone expects fighters to praise the other organization that is not going to happen. Of course they think they are the best.

Just like when I was a driver for Papa John's and we would rumble with the Pizza Hut guys across the street.

w0264007 · 10-26-2006, 07:09 PM

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Same with Pride Vs UFC. If a pride guy bashes UFC, claiming he could beat their competition, its "ok" and he might even be praised for it.

BUT if a UFC guy does the same, directed at Pride, he's then an arrogant jerkoff instead.

Hughes is not an a--hole for trash-talking PRIDE. Hughes is an a--hole for trash talking St. Pierre in front of his students.

Location! Location! Location!

angryjonny · 10-26-2006, 07:10 PM

Grave. Just want to say you are wrong. I have banned Pride trolls before. So that theory just doesn't fly. No one thinks it's okay to be a *****. It's okay to like Pride over UFC and vice versa but there is a line you can cross and become a ***** just looking to get a rise out of the other supporters.