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Ninjamonkey · 10-30-2006, 02:58 PM

Anyone interested on how they are gunna sell the tuf winners vs their title shots? Cause I for one have no desire to see any of the tuf winners get pummeled into oblivion. Do you guys think they will throw them on the same card and have a double main event? or do you think they will try and market each fight seperately as individual ppv's?

Gooner · 10-30-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WheresBobbySouthworth

I think the thread starter got it right, at least from what I can think of, with Justin Eilers. Any explanation for why he got the title fight?

Buentello was supposed to get it, but got injured. Eilers was allegedly the only one, who stepped up to replace him.

Buentello got the chance later of course, and we all remember that one. Great fight.

duke09 · 10-30-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjamonkey

Anyone interested on how they are gunna sell the tuf winners vs their title shots? Cause I for one have no desire to see any of the tuf winners get pummeled into oblivion. Do you guys think they will throw them on the same card and have a double main event? or do you think they will try and market each fight separately as individual ppv's?

i would certainly hope that the tuf/champ fight wouldnt be a main event. i understand why it would be, being a title fight and all, but considering the main events as of late (gsp/hughes; ortiz/liddell2) they would have to have a helluva supporting cast in order to have any interest whatsoever. they should put it on the ufn, or they may lose some respect for classifying a slaughter as a main event fight, especially with pride breaking in to their market.

if the tuf and champ is a ppv main event, i am gonna have to sit it out. the gimmick stuff is free monday nights on my local sports station anyway.

sitnspin · 10-30-2006, 10:39 PM

If the undercard is solid enough, I think they can get away with the Rocky-and-Apollo angle for the main event (the heavily-favoured champ VS the palooka who came up the hard way). But I'm willing to bet that no one on here would put many points on either Serra or Lytle against GSP or Hughes. If Matt Serra had that hard a time last week against Shonie Carter, what the heck is he going to do with Georges St-Pierre?

duke09 · 10-30-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

If the undercard is solid enough, I think they can get away with the Rocky-and-Apollo angle for the main event (the heavily-favoured champ VS the palooka who came up the hard way). But I'm willing to bet that no one on here would put many points on either Serra or Lytle against GSP or Hughes. If Matt Serra had that hard a time last week against Shonie Carter, what the heck is he going to do with Georges St-Pierre?

spinning back fist?? you never know lol.

angryjonny · 10-30-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

Buentello was supposed to get it, but got injured. Eilers was allegedly the only one, who stepped up to replace him.

Buentello got the chance later of course, and we all remember that one. Great fight.

Buentello had a title shot?

JoeRoganismyhero · 10-31-2006, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

Buentello was supposed to get it, but got injured. Eilers was allegedly the only one, who stepped up to replace him.

Buentello got the chance later of course, and we all remember that one. Great fight.

But Buentello was on that same card as Arlovski-Eilers, he fought Kevin "The Shaman" Jordan.

yeah Buentello had a title shot, if you went up to grab something to eat you missed it though...LOL

MTKrav911 · 10-31-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRoganismyhero

I was wondering who everyone thought was the worst fighter to ever get a title shot in the UFC, and what I mean by that is a fighter who was bad WHEN he got the shot not someone whose skills diminished later on.

I vote for Justin Eilers against Andrei Arlovski at UFC 53, Eilers had just got beat badly by Buentello and then HE gets the shot and not Buentello!

Steve Jennum

PghPens71 · 10-31-2006, 11:58 AM

Justin Eilers by far

& throw in quarry and kenflo as the silver and bronze medals.
How dare you put the great Gan Mcgee up on this list people!!!!!!

Gooner · 10-31-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRoganismyhero

But Buentello was on that same card as Arlovski-Eilers, he fought Kevin "The Shaman" Jordan.

Oh yeah, so he was.

I think Buentello first pulled out due to injury,
then they made the deal with Eilers to fight AA,
and later when Buentello could fight after all, he fought Jordan.

Yup, Buentello fought AA at UFC 55. For 10 seconds.

Mulla · 11-01-2006, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Grave

I'm guessing the rest of the WW divison, guys like karo and GSP, were otherwise too occupied or unable to pick up the gauntlet against matt at the time. So riggs was a filler opponent.

Karo was originally going to be fighting Hughes at 56 but pulled out due to injury, and you're righ, Riggs was the last minute replacement.

Frank for life · 11-02-2006, 10:33 AM

I know people aren't going to like this but BJ Penn lost his only come back fight and still got a title shot right away. I think BJ is great but in the Jardine vs Forrest thread some people said Tito did not deserve a title shot. If beating Vitor, and forrest is not good enough for Tito, Why is a loss to GSP good enough for a title shot? I know Bj beat hughes before but if that is the criteria then Dennis Hallman would get a shot too.

But I think Eilers and Quarry. I was just curious about the BJ thing. I know he is a great fighter and this thread is supposed to be about the worst fighter to get a shot but it almost turned into who is the least deserving.

Ninjamonkey · 11-02-2006, 10:54 AM

its not so much that BJ earned the title shot, its more that there was a lot of hype for the fight, which sells. Also, their really isn't another contender for the title yet. Diego is close, but I would like to see him have another fight or two before he gets his shot. The same can be said about tito, except their really isnt anyone else in the lhw division that earned a title shot.

Crashsti · 11-02-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank for life

I know people aren't going to like this but BJ Penn lost his only come back fight and still got a title shot right away. I think BJ is great but in the Jardine vs Forrest thread some people said Tito did not deserve a title shot. If beating Vitor, and forrest is not good enough for Tito, Why is a loss to GSP good enough for a title shot? I know Bj beat hughes before but if that is the criteria then Dennis Hallman would get a shot too.

But I think Eilers and Quarry. I was just curious about the BJ thing

everyone wanted to see a BJ/Hughes rematch, it had nothing to do with #1 contender status. GSP got hurt and could'nt fight so the UFC went with BJ who unlike a guy like Riggs was guaranteed to show up ready to win.

Gooner · 11-02-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank for life

I know people aren't going to like this but BJ Penn lost his only come back fight and still got a title shot right away. I think BJ is great but in the Jardine vs Forrest thread some people said Tito did not deserve a title shot. If beating Vitor, and forrest is not good enough for Tito, Why is a loss to GSP good enough for a title shot? I know Bj beat hughes before but if that is the criteria then Dennis Hallman would get a shot too.

But I think Eilers and Quarry. I was just curious about the BJ thing

Yeah, but BJ got the shot, because GSP got injured. That's the main difference with him and Tito.
And of course Hughes, GSP and BJ were, and are, clearly ranked the top 3 in the weight class. BJ was the former champ, and the GSP-fight was very close too, so he was the natural and only replacement really.

Whereas Tito doesn't deserve to be ranked as high as he is imo. He BARELY got a decision-win over Forrest, and the judges were high or something giving the Vitor-fight to him.
But I understand them giving the shot to Tito, cause it will sell PPVs. And because the UFC LHW-division is really thin.

Frank for life · 11-02-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

Yeah, but BJ got the shot, because GSP got injured. That's the main difference with him and Tito.
And of course Hughes, GSP and BJ were, and are, clearly ranked the top 3 in the weight class. BJ was the former champ, and the GSP-fight was very close too, so he was the natural and only replacement really.

Whereas Tito doesn't deserve to be ranked as high as he is imo. He BARELY got a decision-win over Forrest, and the judges were high or something giving the Vitor-fight to him.
But I understand them giving the shot to Tito, cause it will sell PPVs. And because the UFC LHW-division is really thin.

I agree with you about the Tito decisions and with Bj being top Three. I guess it have been nice to see Bj fight a few more times before he had a showdown with Hughes.

Frank for life · 11-02-2006, 11:08 AM

I applaud guys like Riggs for taking fights sometimes on short notice. Some fighters (pete Spratt) turn down Opprotunities that are maybe once in a lifetime. other guys like Babalu or Monson work their butts off and finally get title shots after like ten wins in a row. But guys like Nate Quarry get a shot and he didn't even compete on tuf. its just not fair. Hopefully, Forrest, Diego, and Rashad all get there chance soon to see if they are championship material.