Sanchez vs Hughes?

Nimmy · 11-21-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Good post Rockemsockem. I agree. Diego has a great coach that knows his fighter very well. Diego Sánchez will make his run at the title when his game is ready for that, and that may be sooner or later. I hope it happens when Sánchez is at his peak. That will make for a better title shot (or title run) than to see him not ready and crushed. But, I would not even worry about a loss, becuase Sánchez is one guy that learns with every MMA experience that he comes across. He is like a sponge soaking up MMA data and information. I think that his training sessions with Fedor Emelianenko paid off in the Karo-Sánchez fight.

he trained with fedor?

Bomber · 11-21-2006, 06:16 PM

Sanchez will never be ready for GSP. His striking is elementary, his footwork is non-existent, and he doesn't have the strength to take GSP down.

subgenius · 11-21-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimmy

he trained with fedor?

Last Summer before the fight with Karo Parisyan, Diego Sánchez flew over to Holland (IIRC) to participate in a special MMA training seminar with Fedor Emelianenko. With a guy like Sánchez, he will learn a ton of great stuff from someone like Fedor. I feel this will pay off more and more as we see Diego fight.

subgenius · 11-21-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

Sanchez will never be ready for GSP. His striking is elementary, his footwork is non-existent, and he doesn't have the strength to take GSP down.

That is just BS. Anyway, Diego trains boxing with the Mexican Olympic team. Sánchez is not an MMA fighter whose best skill is striking. Not every damn MMA fighter that comes through the UFC is like Chuck Liddell. Sánchez is getting mush better with his legs and knees, and that knee to Karo's mouth that popped out a tooth is a perfect example of just how much he has been improving. Diego is a Gaidojutsu blackbelt, and that includes striking and kickboxing. Just because he does not showcase those skills does not mean that he does not have them. Also, Sánchez is likely one of the top three strongest WW fighters in the UFC. GSP is not the strongest, but he is up there as well.

I8URV8 · 11-21-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

[font="Courier New"]That is just BS. Anyway, Diego trains boxing with the Mexican Olympic team. Sánchez is not an MMA fighter whose best skill is striking. Not every damn MMA fighter that comes through the UFC is like Chuck Liddell. Sánchez is getting mush better with his legs and knees, and that knee to Karo's mouth that popped out a tooth is a perfect example of just how much he has been improving. Diego is a Gaidojutsu blackbelt, and that includes striking and kickboxing. Just because he does not showcase those skills does not mean that he does not have them. Also, Sánchez is likely one of the top three strongest WW fighters in the UFC. GSP is not the strongest, but he is up there as well.[/FONT]

Just curious, who do you consider to be the strongest in the division??

Ryduce · 11-21-2006, 06:30 PM

Strength is entirely subjective.

Is there anyway to actually gauge and compare the strength of certain fighters?

Diego along with BJ Penn are fighters who are deceptively strong,and there is no possible way for us to tell who has greater strength.Diego is probably every bit as strong as GSP,maybe more so when it comes to grappling strength.None of us can tell just by looking at them.

nazzyfan · 11-21-2006, 08:31 PM

Sorry if this question has been answered already, but why not have Hughes vs Sanchez to determine the #1 contender spot while GSP fights Serra? That makes the most sense to me. If Hughes wins, he gets a rematch right away, and if Sanchez wins, it sets up a title fight between two guys who beat Matt Hughes. And Hughes would get his rematch shot either way after that.

Bomber · 11-21-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

That is just BS. Anyway, Diego trains boxing with the Mexican Olympic team. Sánchez is not an MMA fighter whose best skill is striking. Not every damn MMA fighter that comes through the UFC is like Chuck Liddell. Sánchez is getting mush better with his legs and knees, and that knee to Karo's mouth that popped out a tooth is a perfect example of just how much he has been improving. Diego is a Gaidojutsu blackbelt, and that includes striking and kickboxing. Just because he does not showcase those skills does not mean that he does not have them. Also, Sánchez is likely one of the top three strongest WW fighters in the UFC. GSP is not the strongest, but he is up there as well.

What a load of bunk. If I trained with the Mexican boxing team would you be in awe of my striking?

Diego fights on the ground. Period. He is a very mediocre striker. Just because Gaidojutsu includes striking and kickboxing doesn't mean squat about Diego's abilitiy to master same. Striking is a talent. You can train all you like, and you will improve, but it doesn't mean you'll ever even be good, let alone great. Sanchez has pretty good boxing defence, no striking ability. And his boxing defence vs GSP will be sorely tested when he catches a few low kicks. Did the Mexican boxing team teach him how to defend against kicks AND punches?

Just because he does not showcase those skills does not mean that he does not have them.

Are you trying to imply that Diego is a superior striker who somehow hasn't shown it in any UFC fight? That's a truly amazing flight of fancy.

Also, Sánchez is likely one of the top three strongest WW fighters in the UFC.

Based on your totally unfounded opinion of course. Could he bench press more than Joslin, Fitch, Hughes, Koschek, GSP etc. How the hell would you know? Hughes couldn't take GSP down, I don't see Sanchez doing it.

As usual, you're throwing around nonsense, speculation and opinion as fact. Let's have the famous Subgenius line to wrap it up.... "I can say whatever I want". Based on nothing at all but your wish to say it, of course.

Greenman · 11-21-2006, 10:03 PM

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i must have missed something, what you mean his terms? you got a source or something?

what is wrong with canadian politics? i live 15 minutes away from you, i have no complaints. at least until the tuition freeze is over lol

No, no source, just replying to earlier posts in this thread about deciding not to fight because he isn't ready.

As for Canadian politics, I don't like that the ruling party can choose to hold an election based on poll results. I like the US system of fixed election dates. No playing politics.........with politics

subgenius · 11-21-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

What a load of bunk. If I trained with the Mexican boxing team would you be in awe of my striking?

Diego fights on the ground. Period. He is a very mediocre striker. Just because Gaidojutsu includes striking and kickboxing doesn't mean squat about Diego's abilitiy to master same. Striking is a talent. You can train all you like, and you will improve, but it doesn't mean you'll ever even be good, let alone great. Sanchez has pretty good boxing defence, no striking ability. And his boxing defence vs GSP will be sorely tested when he catches a few low kicks. Did the Mexican boxing team teach him how to defend against kicks AND punches?

Just because he does not showcase those skills does not mean that he does not have them.

Are you trying to imply that Diego is a superior striker who somehow hasn't shown it in any UFC fight? That's a truly amazing flight of fancy.

Also, Sánchez is likely one of the top three strongest WW fighters in the UFC.

Based on your totally unfounded opinion of course. Could he bench press more than Joslin, Fitch, Hughes, Koschek, GSP etc. How the hell would you know? Hughes couldn't take GSP down, I don't see Sanchez doing it.

As usual, you're throwing around nonsense, speculation and opinion as fact. Let's have the famous Subgenius line to wrap it up.... "I can say whatever I want". Based on nothing at all but your wish to say it, of course.

Don't be mad at me that you cannot dispute Diego Sánchez's ability. The fact is that Diego has been more powerful than all of his opponents. He is in fact training with Olympic level boxers. He is in fact a young fighter that is getting better in every fight. He is in fact undefeated.

If you watched his fights, and I mean all of his UFC and KOTC fights, then you could easily see that he is stronger than nearly ever fighter he has faced. He has taken down fighters that people said he had no chance to take down (like Diaz).

You can do the research yourself and watch Sánchez's fights. The KOTC matches were on In Demand very recently for only $10. So, I don't see the sense in fighting with me about it when you can just go see for yourself.

duke09 · 11-21-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nazzyfan

Sorry if this question has been answered already, but why not have Hughes vs Sanchez to determine the #1 contender spot while GSP fights Serra? That makes the most sense to me. If Hughes wins, he gets a rematch right away, and if Sanchez wins, it sets up a title fight between two guys who beat Matt Hughes. And Hughes would get his rematch shot either way after that.

great work, bud. i think that nazzyfan has an excellent idea. if country breakfast is healthy enough, have him fight sanchez, and the winner gets a piece of the champ.

that would either silence all the diego haters or prove them right (18-1 still aint bad).

or it could silence all the hughes haters if matt won while starting along the comeback trail or would overjoy all teh matt haters when diego beats him down.

either way, it would draw good numbers on a card that needs all the help it can get, provide for a great fight, and settle a few things once and for all.

subgenius · 11-21-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by duke09

great work, bud. i think that nazzyfan has an excellent idea. if country breakfast is healthy enough, have him fight sanchez, and the winner gets a piece of the champ.

that would either silence all the diego haters or prove them right (18-1 still aint bad).

or it could silence all the hughes haters if matt won while starting along the comeback trail or would overjoy all teh matt haters when diego beats him down.

either way, it would draw good numbers on a card that needs all the help it can get, provide for a great fight, and settle a few things once and for all.

If GSP, Hughes, and Dana White had NOT spoken about the Hughes-GSP rematch, then I think that idea might be worth something. But, Hughes does not now need to fight anyone. All he needs to do is train harder and harder and just wait and bide his time. In six months he will get the rematch that he wants without fighting anyone. His tenure as the most dominant WW champion has made it so that nobody in the UFC seems to be questioning his worth in a rematch.

Also, we need to remember that GSP is only required to defend his belt like once or twice a year. So, after Serra and Hughes, he may sit back for a while. He may have to recuperate and heal up. Fighting is not easy and it's hard on the body. We may not see more than two or three GSP fights next year. GSP has only fought twice in 2006. WAY back in March, and now here in November. So, we should not expect much.

I think that it will go like this in 2007:

GSP-Serra
GSP-Hughes
GSP-Sánchez

After that, I don't expect to see GSP fight again in 2007.